http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/14/troll-sean-duffy-internet
I found this link fascinating.
My early morning swim in the International Media.
A refuge from my inability to sleep all night it hit me.
I never understood what drives us, yes me too, to use the net.
Fear genuinely the real damage the unwise/unaware inflict on them selves.
But also see and like the Social inclusion we all gain from our romp here.
Only rare that we get a troll that survives very long but we must surely ask our selves now and again what drives some.
Lets not get in to personality's.
To do so would make us trolls.
But in a general way , we can ask what is a troll.
We are human, not perfect, each of us is sometimes right and sometimes wrong.
But can we other than say on line activity is no different than real life.
Except trolling is such that its users can remain convinced we are seeing their message, and that they are not seen.

a troll surely is someone who rises to the bait
much like trolling for fish

sadly the lable is attatched cleverly..
to those...*who respond to the troller

but there is another name for them
that escapes me at the moment

[as usual..im with you mate]
but..i dont click on links..
[it stuffs up my service provider]dodo

the only links i trust are in house

so what was the link saying
on olo

I think it's a generational thing. People brought up with the net accept it as part of the landscape. I feel it's only the oldies that take it all so seriously.

Don't feed the trolls is a very old saying.

I would say the definition is someone who is not genuine about what they write, and they write it provocatively.

If someone writes in a provocative manner but they really believe what they are saying I would argue that isn't trolling.

As with Batman and The Joker, one needs the other. Trolls provide a community service for those who love to be outraged, and those who love to look down on others. I see no problems with this arangement. People have often said to me all my entertainment is at others expense, but I always retort that it cant possibly be too expensive as people know my MO and always come back for more. In short, they must enjoy this relationship.

I believe on most news sites trolls are paid by the site to generate discussion and hence advertising revenue.

Though I have never been on Graham's payroll.

In fact, one could argue the whole news site is trolling. Most articles are there to provoke attention, and aren't genuine about the story or the facts.

Journalists are the original trolls.

Hi Belly,

According to various links on the web -
internet trolls are apparently very common.
They frequent sites where people interact with
each other. Discussion forums such as OLO are
popular. According to one site:

"An internet "troll" is an abusive anti-social user
who delights in causing disharmony and conflict
online."

"They're someone who abuse their online anonymity
by purposely sowing hatred, bigotry, racism,
mysogyny or simply bickering between others and they
thrive in an environment where they're allowed to
make public comments."

The only way to deal with a troll is to ignore them
and take away their ability to post online. That's why the
saying, "Don't feed the troll!"

I think people make too many assumptions about the affect of anonymity. In regards to OLO, it's totally irrelevant. It can easily be argued that one is not anonymous if for 5 years they have posted under the same moniker and conversed with the same people. Patterns of behavior, group dynamics etc have all been formed under the same identity.

It's almost as if the belief is that the threat of violence should be +ever present to authenticate an identity.

I wind people up all the time in my daily life, and rarely get punched in the head. I think people over-estimate how prone people are to use violence.

Dear Belly,

We're not talking about regular posters here
- but trolls.
And that's an entirely different kettle of fish.

Again, according to various sites:

1) Trolls enjoy using shock-value statements to get
angry responses from others.

2) They gain energy by you insulting them.

3) They gain energy when you get angry.

4) They are immune to criticism and logical arguments.

5) They cannot be reasoned with.

6)They do not feel remorse.

7) They have sociopathic tendencies and delight
in other people having hurt feelings.

8) They consider themsleves separate from the social
order.

9) They do not abide by the rules of common courtesy.

10) They consider themselves above social responsibility.

11) The only way to deal with a troll is to ignore them.

As I stated in my earlier post - an internet "troll"
is an abusive anti-social user who delights in causing
disharmony and conflict online. Luckily our regular posters
don't fit into that category.

Baiting, yes no-one does that here, do they:) The best thing to do is, mind your own business, and look out for the PC which hunters, there the worst type of internet trolls......you know the ones, there the types that think the own the place.

The West is wonderful at attacking its own people but poor at dealing with real issues of global justice. This is just another example. Now who's looking down at people...Hypocrites.

cactus

Well the link is informative but I have been around on other boards for as many posts in total as I have here.
Not much from the day I came here and all except a union one under this name.
Some trolls, as in that link, are unaware they are seen as such.
Some come only to annoy, such have little real life success.
Hollie brings intelligence and a long needle but is not a troll.
Some post meaningless one line comments then slip away and snigger at what they think is being smart.
I have seen again and again, posters who, please do not be offended I speak of extremes, not all.
Change names but not posting style.
In the true nature of trolls they seem to Be happy to display the fact they lack intelligence and stability.
We, every forum, have seen what looks, tastes, and smells, like mental health issues.
It would be wrong to brand such as a troll, but it too seems much alike.
Yes best ignored best not to release too much about your self but lets not kid our self.
Finding out who we are is no challenge.
Be careful always.
I warn again,a visitor has been at my front door thinking he was to confront a little old man, be careful!

'We, every forum, have seen what looks, tastes, and smells, like mental health issues.'

Amen to that. Quite perceptive Belly. It's one of the reasons I find it all so interesting.

It's not only the more obvious cases, there are little issues I detect in even the most stable posters.

Dear Belly,

I take people as I find them.

I don't deliberately go looking for any
undercurrents. As far as this forum is concerned
- yes there have been some rather bizarre
characters that I've encountered along the way.
But I've also met some amazing posters - that
have left me totally in awe. Not only by their
reasoned, intelligent, debating skills, but by
their knowledge of the issues involved. People
like csteele, Pericles, Squeers, Pelican,
are just a few that spring to mind.

I agree with you that giving out too much information
on a public forum is probably not a good idea. Some
things things should remain private.

Oh look, they've formed a little group of witches:) how nice and threats as well, plus defamation all rolled up into one. Of course the internets PC hero's perceptions of others that don't co-inside with their own mind-sets must be distroyed at all costs, in fear that change might take away their power EGO'S and that means all except themselves are mentaly ill:) But of course who are we to judge, The A team has the ball and doesn't want to hear or understand change and its importance's. Well I never:)

Truth will set you free:)

Oh dear~!

cactus

http://tinyurl.com/6btsxp8

Just for a that guy special olo loves like no other:)

Just watch as its belly hits the ice:)

http://tinyurl.com/3lltlcx

This one has sound effects bellies:)

cactus

We are reminded here that not all who are a pain are trolls.
Lexi I too, as I suspect we all do, judge people as I find them, you,with the exception of csteele name our best.
Csteele and I differ forever, does that make me a troll?
If so I except it. not get me wrong I enjoy the verbal tennis, and know csteele while different is no fool.
In fact I advise a poster snarling here of this.
We each of us are more often judged by what we say here.
Than what others say about us.
Further the attraction to such sites is the difference not the sameness of posters.
Some come drunk, some come leave a mess then return with another name,leaving the same mess behind.
Few knowingly troll, some, a few, like my link [strange OUG that you post so many but read none] act the part but are unaware.
I can not walk around the Elephant in the room.
Some think haveing views other than theirs marks a troll,weird but true!

Are you sure you want to cross swords with a pirate. More rum I say:) Oh dear...Smug! what is that word?

Its NOT your Internet! GY is the Big Boss, and not you.

Be very careful, your being watched.

cactus

nothing strange about it belly
i figured out how my service provision was getting corrupted

so stopped doing 'it'
[it seems to be that the downloading
keeps on downloading other stuff..that corrupts my server acces code
to go onto a super slow download mode..or not at all]

its rather a relief not to have to read all them links
only to have those who cant refute the 'link'
respond to the adverts...lol..
run on the links

also i feel just posting a link
and not giving a bit of a hint as to whats at the link
to be a waste of download limits

the last thing i need to waste time
is to watch some fred flintstone link

because they cant refute what i said
anyhow i like cutting and pasting the info ON the link

which is as easy as [left]..clicking
and dragging while holding the left button down..
then clicking on the right button..to click on 'copy'

then pasting a usual

Ho, and the god people..lol...well I must fantasize the behaviors of ones selves or the big angry will get me....please:) OUG and BELLIES...your breaking the rules of this site as the rules permit. This site is for all creatures great and small, and to discriminate, you both know that's inappropriate. You all know the law, but some know better than others:)

You both have a nice day.

cactus.

Dear Belly,

You a troll? No way!
You don't delight in causing disharmony and conflict
online. You're a "peace-maker." A poster of great
integrity and I know that you, the same as so many of us,
enjoy what this forum has to offer.

We've got a robust
community here but I understand your concern about the
tendency on some people's parts to think that their way
is the right way that that people who disagree with them
are bad. I agree that it is therefore
important that we respect
the opinions of others, especially those who don't agree
with us than that we keep slavishly congratulating those
who have the wisdom to see things our way.

those
who have the wisdom to see things our way.

Nicely rounded.

cactus

Thanks Cactus, drunk sober what ever your problem is.
You actually give a real life exhibition of a troll.
And force me to ask this question.
Not of you but me.
If your child like behavior was about any but me, without hesitation I would report it.
WHY
I believe in OLO.
So report your disturbing behavior I will, any thoughts on your next posting name.

Bellies, your free to think what you like:) My next handle, I must say belly, I haven't given it that much thought. Just don't forget your human as well. I have lost all interest in such a thread, but its great to know your part of the crew:)

We are all human bellies, and we make no big deal about it.

I wonder if you yourself, can see the bigger picture?

This giving the right information at just the right time, you know yourself better than anyone.

Thanks for your reply.

cactus

1) Trolls enjoy using shock-value statements to get
angry responses from others.

There will be no Carbon Tax under the govt I lead.

2) They gain energy by you insulting them.
3) They gain energy when you get angry.

A convoy of the inconsequential, joined by the incontinent.

4) They are immune to criticism and logical arguments.

The Malaysian solution, Solar, Pink Batts, Live Trade, BER, NBN.

5) They cannot be reasoned with.

The overwhelming majority of Australians do not want a Carbon Tax

6)They do not feel remorse.

Why give the old age pensioners a pension rise, they don't vote for us anyway...Gillard 2009

7) They have sociopathic tendencies and delight
in other people having hurt feelings.

You 27% that support us will pay and pay with the 73% that don't, tough titties

8) They consider themsleves separate from the social
order.

Are you a Fabian? then come into MY Caucus, if you’re not get to the back of the bench.

9) They do not abide by the rules of common courtesy.

Where's my breakfast, where's my breakfast, I'm the Prime Minister, cry you RAAF bitch sook, I'm the Prime Minister and I want MY breky.

10) They consider themselves above social responsibility.

I have complete confidence in the member for Dobell...Gillard 2011

11) The only way to deal with a troll is to ignore them.

The troll runs the asylum, nowhere to run for 2 years.

Yes Lexi my Baltic beauty nI hear what you are saying, I am sick of the red headed troll as well.

Houellebecq:>> It's not only the more obvious cases, there are little issues I detect in even the most stable posters.<<

Houellebecq thank Christ you are on the job sorting out the psychotic from the peculiar, I myself have suspicions of some, but a private email to discuss the ones we suspect would be the prudent way to go as forums have ears, we will speak soon.

First I am aware of my surroundings, that is our weak point, every one of us, we needlessly reply to say yes I saw that.
We can not stop our differing, our continuing the human nature thing.
Putting our verbal arm over the shoulder of some we constantly oppose to gain their support,against those others.
And of eminence help to me every day in every job or activity, is my lack of self assurance.
I NEVER think I have done well/my best.
Far more of use than self assurance badly miss placed.
SOG find me a human, a single one, who has no issues mental health ego, we all do.
I think we all know trolls, but do they know them selves?
And are trolls only those falling into the category's you re used from Lexis post.
If so you displayed the classic symptoms of a troll.
Gillard is best looked at from behind,on her way out of Parliament for the very last time.
So that effort from you ricochet! foot hurting?
Explore your list of mentally impaired place me on top.
No offense taken mate.
I value truth and opinions always, the next perfect human who is always right has not yet been born.

Belly: >>Explore your list of mentally impaired place me on top.
No offense taken mate.<<

Belly, my line to Houellebecq was a tongue in cheek re the idiosyncratic traits of us all. Given some of the flaming vitriol that I dispense, it is not directed as a character assassination of any OLO poster, more a way to placate my anger and disillusion over the train wreck that the Australian Labor Party has become. You must see that the Fabian ideologue is in my sights, and that is because they hijacked the ALP. Unlike your other protagonists Belly I do not throw up the Coalition as the sought alternative, I do not sing their praises like an acolyte, I simply complain about the mob running the show now.

I believe in charity beginning at home, take care of domestic issues before parading around on the world stage with your only aim being the championing of international Fabian ideals. Sending BILLIONS of our “Carbon” dollars to the pig feeding trough that is the U.N.simply because the Australian Fabians are eyeing a U.N. job after they have finished using Australia is not on, but happening. Australia is a means to an end for this crop of Lawyers that are ruling the ALP, whereas Australia should be the end, not a means to fulfill personal life goals.

There is no Australian Labor Party, in its place we have the local branch of the British Fabian Party, with an agenda to save the world, well fook the world, take care of Australia

Dear SOG,

This thread is not about our current government or
the Prime Minster - and while we appreciate your attempt
at being amusing - perhaps you should start your
own thread on the topic of your choice instead of
trying to derail this thread. Which doesn't do you
any credit it merely demonstrates your incapacity
for original thought.

SOG I do not want to address you.
Break a commitment to myself in doing so.
But you deserve an answer.
Australian verbal humor is often lost in print.
I , very often, in real life too, am judged on something I write, that has been seen as something else.
No formal education in letter writing and construction can take part of the blame.
You are, THE ONLY single poster who has ever admitted what I see as flaming.
I congratulate you on that.
But it is a weakness.
IF my views are so wrong you can roll me up and put me in the bin with cool headed words.
A basic for me is this, if we all piddle in our pool soon too soon that will be all we swim in.
Respect , not of our opponents but the forum and our selves of our fellow posters is a commendable target.

Lexi, about trolling, most of my stuff is not opinion but statement of events and outcomes with a commentary, unlike Shadow Minister I am not barracking for the other side. Failed governments do not like facts as they are too descriptive, no place to explain and polish up the outcomes with spin. That is why for the 60 BILLION ABN spend we received an explanation that is 30 odd pages long, that is roughly two billion dollars worth of explanation per page and we still do not know WHO we are paying WHAT to.

Trolling does not have to be ad homs and ridicule, it can be the tiresome repeated denial of what is evident. The example above of conspiracy is endlessly denied by Labor supporters, is that not troll behavior, like chanting the earth is flat as you slowly rotate around it. Troll behavior can also be exampled by the defense of having paid $900,000 for two demountable tin sheds and a shade cloth during the BER and claiming it as value. An obvious lie, but individuals defend it because it is in their best interest to do so, is that not trolling.

This passive aggressive trolling when confronted with the contempt it deserves falls back on accusing the disgruntled of trolling, being aggressive, or attempting to derail the thread. See Lexi only facts from me.

Belly:>> IF my views are so wrong you can roll me up and put me in the bin with cool headed words.<<

You say that Belly but the overwhelming failures of this administration do not seem to daunt you, and you say wait and see things will turn out for the best. That is a myopic view, not one major policy success, not one. My brothers up North are still waiting for the housing that Rudd said would be immediate, aboriginal kids in the north still have the mortality rate of third world kids, these things are important. I don’t give a bugger about batts and BER and NBN future failures compared to the promises by Rudd to take care of our brothers and sisters up north, the health clinics, the hospital system, all the crap that traditionally only Labor has had the compassion and foresight to implement. They do not care anymore.

Dear SOG,

Go back and re-read your post about the "red-headed troll."
To my knowledge the PM has not posted on this forum and
this thread is about trolls who do.

You turned what I cited from the web on internet trolls
in general -
into an attack on the government and the PM in particular.
Neither of which are the subject of this thread.

If you can't understand the point I'm making - there's
nothing more to be said.

OK Lexi I see your point, I was just making onversation...sorry.

Man has true greatness with in him and true room for sadness.
Once I thought God had the wheel.
But not now.
We are that tower of Babble.
Yet the thought that only I am right never enters my head.
SOG you do no favor to your self, in saying I am fixed in my position.
In truth those words are so very silly so strange, uninformed, lost.
Show me one poster so willing, to kick his party as me.
I contemplate starting another thread.
That will FOREVER stamp my reputation in the union movement in the mud.
Because I think it needs doing, that for some unions/some sections of the ALP the Bell tolls.
Forgive me, but many of your comments are self indulgent, a miss placed belief you understand far more than you in fact do.
I recommend this truth to posters, some far more intelligent than me will put it better, but holding an opinion so tightly that the air of truth and reason is excluded is no reason to be deliberatly or to consider your self above others.
Once in print we can not avoid our acts and words, we forgive our selves for them faster than, if at all, others.

Trolls are hilarious. Some are good, some aren't. Trolling a troll is my sport online. I can give anyone the irks.

I read some comments about mental disorders earlier (Belly?) in forums. EVERYONE has a certain amount of mental dysfunction. If you believe you don't, you're delusional.

God Belly, I just apologized to Lexi, now I have one for you. Yes I was wrong to accuse you of being implacable regarding your Party. Yes you have said they have stuffed up big time, but that is where we differ, you believe there is a way back with the team you have and I do not, I believe they are so lost that a compass would be useless to them as the leaders cannot read it.

Dear SOG,

Things in politics can change in a flash.
John Howard pointed out all the doom and gloom
that was predicted many times over his period
in government. Malcolm Fraser has been decrying
his Party for some time now. And we all know that
the Liberals without the support of the Nationals
would have ceased to exist ages ago. If the Nationals
were to go on their own today - the Liberals would
disappear.

Nothing can be predicted with any certainty in politics.
The Prime Minister at present is having a re-assessment
of her Party. She's accepted an earlier report that
was done with all of its criticisms and recommendations.
A program is in place to restore Labor values and attract
new members and steer the party in the right direction.

Dire predictions at this point in time are a bit pre-mature.

StG got me! I agree, truth mate no human ever lived who had no issues but you get the drift.
SOG this is true, damage, even the not existing stuff you claim for my party is a needed tonic.
Right now, the rubbish tip, in a septic tank the NSW ALP had become is a young garden.
We have recycled the junk, re using the septic.
Young bright flowers and trees are sprouting.
We are on the road back, need to avoid falling tree limbs, from Barry's new government.
See he won, should win again twice, but has forgotten his time in the wilderness.
Barry is Labors best assistant, he has forgotten so very much
I wounder who you think is an alternative to the ALP?
compromise! only that is possible in politics

I think of a troll as someone who thinks they're trolling a troll.

If the Nationals
were to go on their own today - the Liberals would
disappear.
Lexi,
I'm with you on that one. We also need to look at what happened when the ALP disowned Labor. It was as predictable as clockwork when academic theorists hijacked & prohibited common sense.

Indy, sorry mate but I think you are a troll.
But not all bad I also think you do not know you are.
So I forgive you!

Belly,
Now you're living up to true ALP standard. Julia must be just so proud of you. I hope she sent you a birthday card for your loyalty.

Lexi,

Just read your line:
"A program is in place to restore Labor values and attract new members and steer the party in the right direction."

Sounds a bit "Sir Humphrey Appleby" to me : )

With the announcement of Labor's new "offshore dumping" amendments, it seems their "new values" are worse than the old ones - and they comprehensively fail to include humanitarian considerations...a "program", indeed....

Dear Poirot,

It was in the news and I merely quoted what the
Prime Minister's aims were as she spoke at Labor's
National Conference. The program hasn't begun yet
apparently - she was merely listing its aims for
the future. The very fact that she was taking on
board a report made
by senior Labor MPs with all their criticisms can
surely not be a bad thing. Perhaps she will listen
to what they have to say and take heed. It's got to
be better than what's been happening to date.

Yo, Lexi - I presumed you were only relaying what you'd heard.

Isn't it shameful that pollies have to rely on reports from senior party players to come up with a "program" of "values". One naively assumes that they will behave in an ethical fashion....one assumes wrong, of course...this program, no doubt, will only concern itself with whatever they can get away with while still playing the populist card.

As you may have noticed, I'm a tad cynical these days. Shame really - I had so much fun bagging Howard, but really these days all party pollies are alike.

these days all party pollies are alike.
Poirot,
Let's just have some decency here, the conservatives have never been as incompetent when in power as is the present lot.

Dear Poirot,

You're not alone in your frustration.

Many people share your feelings.

Anyway, the following link may be of interest
regarding the Malaysian Solution.

http://newmatilda.com/2011/08/31/thats-it-malaysia-solution

BTW: Have you read Lindsay Tanner's book?

Poirot/Lexi, I should tip toe away, my laying truly held views out has hurt me before Morgan even left again, because I do so.
This is not the rantings of a right wing fanatic, think as you wish.
It does not come from some one who is unaware of the dreadful life and death these people flee from.
I do not ignore the whole sub Continent India a fast growing soon world financial power house, built on the body's of an under class of untouchables.
Those Australians like me, who understand yet want no more boats, who say we eat from one cake why cut it too small.
Who are prepared as whole Asian Middle east African country's are,to have both rich and death live side by side, but not be blinded by love.
We too are Australians, Lady's we live in a community, we are the result of century's of evolving,but in truth we too via our ancestors have always seen such pain.
We always will.
If we break down the right and expectations the majority have to be heard we destroy that community.
I am no sinner for thinking other than you.
Debate us, from every side of politics but while refugees flood the world I refuse to be pushed to except we have no choices.
Take the starving from the camps not the well of from criminals boats.

Speaking of trolling.

AHAHAHAHAHA AUSTRALIA, you lost to Ireland in the pools.

StG,
the present situation shows just how far a lot can go merely on luck.

Lexi,

No, I haven't read Tanner's book....but then I'm not over-indulging in politics these days. I haven't actually watched Gillard or Abbott on telly for yonks, as I found the sight of them in action too much to take.
But I do keep abreast of developments in their policies - it's hard not to unless you totally avoid any media.

Did Tanner include a chapter on how they've managed to repel many of their former supporters by morphing into something barely distinguishable from their opposition?

barely distinguishable from their opposition?
Poirot,
you're doing it again, why try so hard to drag the conservatives so far down when they clearly are not.

Dear Poirot,

That's why I recommended Lindsay Tanner's book to you.
It's part memoir, part analysis, part critique.
He does tackle the rot that's set in at the heart of
Australain public life. He lays bare the decline of political
reporting and political behaviour that occurred during
his career. It's an interesting take on things and only
confirms what we already suspect.

BTW: The book is called - "Sideshow: Dumbing Down Democracy."

And he talks about the "corrosive impact of the media
on politics." He talks about the media turning - "into
an entertainment frame that has little tolerance for
complex and social economic issues. And, in turn polticians
and parties are adapting their behaviour to suit the new
rules of the game.To such an extent that the contest of
ideas being supplemented by the contest for laughs."

Worth a read.

Dear Belly,

It's going to be an interesting week in politics coming up.
Whatever Tony Abbott decides to do - (and we already suspect
we know what that will be). However, either way - the Malaysian
Solution is not going to work and the PM should simply
admit it. It will go badly - the longer she delays.

A bad situation to be in all round.

I wish someone would come up with something that will work.
But no one's been able to do it thus far.

I have been an admirer of Lindsay Tanner since his days as a local pollie in Carlton, Melbourne. I thought it interesting that he chose not to remain in politics after the Rudd dethroning.

I must read his book - Lexi, does he discuss the machinations behind Rudd's ousting as PM?

On topic. Like bed-bugs, internet trolls cause irritation, unlike bed-bugs they cannot be fumigated, but they can be ignored. What I find interesting on this thread are the opinions of what constitutes a 'troll'. Lexi has covered the modus operandi best - others have simply used the topic to, well, troll.

I wish someone would come up with something that will work.
But no one's been able to do it thus far.
Lexi,
have you been sticking your head in the sand again ? Many years ago a chap called John Howard had a good solution not the best but nothing better as yet.
Just Google a place called Nauru & afterwards Google the number of boats since Labor stopped Nauru. Then do the sums. Use a calculator by all means.

Dear Ammonite,

Yes Tanner does discuss the demise of Rudd.
The following website has a great article on it:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-was-beheaded-and-was-all-for-nothing-tanner-laments-20110429-1e0th.html

Dear Individual,

Why are you offering Nauru? It didn't work then and it
won't work now. The entire farce cost the Australian
taxpayers a fortune and it was abysmal. People were
left languishing for years, many still bear the scars
today and many ended up in Australia anyway. It was
a cruel exercise in futility. And the boats did not
stop coming because of it. That's a myth. Howard had
the navy take them back. Why on earth would you pick
one of two evils - both Nauru and the Malaysian Solution
are awful. Why not try on-shore processing - and treat
people as human beings - just for a change.

OH good Ammonite! the rest of us are trolls, yes Indy is best ignored but consider, it is his best he knows no better.
Lyndsay Tanner from the left is one of Labors best.
He never liked the Latham/Crean Gillard demolition team.
Yes this is a hard troubling week.
Labor will be confronted on all sides.
Its own left if they stand against party moves on Malaysia condemns then to three terms in opposition.
Abbott if he stands firm, may fall, we may just see Australia waken to him.
Funny but every one wants things done their way this week.
And we may very well,for 12 years, see them done Tony's way as a result.

Belly,

Judging by this latest brainwave, they deserve three terms in opposition. (with cessation of chocolate rations!)

Lexi,

Your last post was excellent imo.

Good grief, Belly - I do consider some of the posters to OLO as trolls - however I have not named you or anyone else. Your overreaction to comments that aren't even directed at you is of concern.

Ammonite,
Never mind about Belly, he wouldn't know it's sunday unless Labor told him.

Dear Individual,

Read your last post.

Not nice.

Sometimes we post too quickly - without reading
what we've said. Words do hurt.

Ammonite know I respect you.
But know too I find you hard maintenance, a term used in my last job to describe some one always on my a%$#s
We first clashed in the bird thread,you verbally horse whipped me for, your words ignoring you and my posting mate Ludwig.
Ammonite I love women, do anything for them.
But long ago stopped being ordered about/changed/used and paying for those friendships.
I think differently than, you Poirot and csteele, some times Lexi too.
Please forgive me, for being me.
How many times Indy have you been banned.
Do people walk away in real life as you start to talk.
Why do you come here, to slander?
Remember Morgan and I tried to talk with you ? you could not put your wishes in to words.
You have done far more than enough insulting to be ignored so why do I bother.
You need a chance, to see you are not infallible, in fact you act quite the opposite mate!
Are you happy to present your self as a rude foolish unhappy uninformed person?
I understand what a troll is but what then are those as Indy currently presents himself?

Lexi,
I know it's not nice. It doesn't give me any satisfaction at all to waste my time giving back to people what they dish out on me.
All that aside it's the lack of integrity that concerns me most, that I'm alright stuff you Jack attitude so peculiar to the union movement.

Indy I have no idea why, but I tried far too often, your use of the lie about my integrity shows you have not a bit this time forever good by.
I understand the formal way trolls are thought of.
But is it possible it needs widening.
We all know of annoyances that is not trolling.
Of growing ways to get under our skin.
A thread I answered here got me of Gard it was about the Murdock media.
I fell for it it, however looks like Astro Turfing, its author if not a bot,wanted to announce his/her site not debate.
Who heard of Astro Turfing a few years ago, yet its birthplace American politics has seen it invade advertising and much more.

Dear Belly and Individual,

I'm currently at a loss for words.

I've just received an email from a friend with the saddest
news ever. CJ Morgan died suddenly at his home on 5th August
2011. The funeral service was on 11th August 2011.
I feel that a rare human being has left us. I can't imagine
what his family must be feeling right now. Anyway, perhaps
this will put things into perspective for us all.

Take care.

Lexi thanks for letting us know. That's sad news.

R0bert

cont'd ...

Here's the link for CJ:

http://tributes.couriermail.com.au/obituaries/couriermail-au/obituary-search.aspx?page=2&affiliated=all&countryid=11&daterange=180&stateid=198&keyword=morgan&entriesperpage=50

Lexi

I am heart broken. I was honoured to count Morgan as a friend.

Belly, you rush in with quick judgements, Morgan was one of the very best. A shame you never really got to know him.

Morgan had a level of integrity, humour and compassion that is rare and now he has gone.

Vale Morgan.

Dear Ammonite,

I also was privileged to count CJ Morgan as a friend
and I shall miss him greatly. He was a very caring,
compassionate human being and I feel that we've lost
somebody very special. My prayers and thoughts are
with his family.

"Eternal rest grant to them, O Lord.
And let perpetual light shine on them.
May they rest in peace. Amen."

I was also a big fan of CJ's, who always made insightful and witty comments. One of the few I don't think I ever disagreed with. OLO was poorer and now the world's poorer without him.

Ditto, Squeers....

I'd got the impression that he'd been having some health issues from comments he'd posted as Morganzola - and I'd noted lately that he hadn't posted for a while.

Sad to know he's no longer with us...although if he's still around in some dimension, he's probably having a huge belly-laugh that all these tributes are taking place of thread titled "Internet Trolls" (which he wasn't)

Dear Poirot (and Squeers)

I thought the same regarding the thread topic. That is exactly the type of ironic humour that would appeal to him.

He made a big impact on many who post at OLO - I cannot begin to imagine how his family are coping.

Lexi
Indeed sad news and thank you for letting us know. I had recently wondered where CJ had gone. He always struck me as a caring and compassionate person even when he lit that fire under him on his favourite topics. :)

RIP dear CJ.

Dear Pelly,

I, like Ammonite can't believe the sense of grief
that I feel for someone I've never met. CJ was so
special. And we'll all miss him very much on this
forum. It was a privilege to have met in cyberspace.
It's such a loss. And he was so young (56 ).
Lorri, his partner, and his family, must be having
difficulty coming to grips with all this. He was ill,
but he'd been operated on and had high hopes of getting
better - but it obviously wasn't to be.

as this now seems a condolance thread for cj
i found the words of lexie comforting

how nice it is for him to hear
""i also was privileged to count CJ Morgan as a friend
and I shall miss him greatly.""

i count all of you as my friends
[heck the only people i talk with is you lot]

but back to cj..""He was a very caring,
compassionate human being and I feel that we've lost
somebody very special.""

we are spirits..having a life sentance
cj was and is spirit first...man/husbaned father
and poster teachers commentator blogger last

what im trying to say is his spirit lives on
both here and in the next realm...grieve not for those who now are beyond your hearing..*their reply..!

his spirit now
can hear our unspoken thoughts
we need by think of him..for him to hear us loudly and clearly

we are all in shock
but this fate is the fate of us all

while we are saying nice words
i feel mostly..we best honour good people with truth

so please accept my commentary as such

lexie said..""My prayers and thoughts are
with his family.""

and this is a good truth

for indeed he is now fully feeling their grieving

and in the next life..grief holds us back..
so think of him with love/joy

recall his wisdoms..of words
recall his wisdoms..of works

recall he is not dead
only crossed over..to the other side

we all must go to
and all..will go to

no exceptions

i hesitate to write further

but need to express
that cj no longer can..on this forum

""Eternal rest grant to them, O Lord.""

cj is not resting
he is now on a fast learning curve
needing to learn..the spirit means..of seeing/hearing

there is no eternal rest*

and if rest is required..the lord allows this
without the need for us to ask...[the lord grants
without need for intercessor]

but lets rip the bandage from..our eyes quickly

""And let perpetual light shine on them.""

it is..but till he choses to awaken
chooses to see hear the 'light'..

our prayers should be helping him to try
to see/hear..the new spirit way...

trusting that he is seeing the truth

ie the spirit light is allways
shining..on all of 'them'...

[there is no need..to us to ask]
for it is allready given

it but requires
us new spirits..but to learn to see

[the wings song...'take these broken wings
and learn to fly'....comes to mind]

""May they rest in peace.""

there is no such thing..as rest in peace
while those you love grieve..it tears right into our heart
rest comes once others let us to rest

so dont think of cj as dead

or resting..send him your prayers..by all means
but not in some past tense..

for his spirit cannot die

forgive me
for saying any unintended hurt
but we must know

*dead isnt dead

cj is not a past tense
he lives on..and know we will all meet again

Dear Johan (OUG),

Thank You for your beautiful words.

As I've written in the past concerning
OLO. I've met some amazing souls
on this discussion forum whose light
has enhanced my perception of things.
I count you as one of them.

Dear Belly,

I didn't mean to de-rail you thread. I just thought it
important that people should know about CJ. I'm done
now - and hopefully your thread will now return to
normal.

Lexi you derailed me, of every poster every single one Morgan was my mate.
I truly am grief stricken.
I have no e mails for posters but offer with true sorrow my best wishes to his family.
Few will not miss him.

I have had difficulty using the link to CJs bit in the paper, I truly should back away.
In our long history sometimes mud wrestling we respected each other,he was part of us.
Part of my reason for being here, OUG stay mate and keep talking.
Now, do not see anger in this there is none, do not see spite or vengeance I do not act like that.
Ammonite, you if you are a princess make me proud to be republican.
I refuse, forever, to cede your education makes you better than me.
I would walk ten thousand miles to avoid your consete and self importance, you.
Morgan, your Friend or not, will understand,and forgive me, for my reply to your needless swipe.
While I believe in no God I do with certainty think some part of us survives.
I am sorry to introduce, or is it only counter punching? such in to a thread that now is a memorial for a good mate
Rest bloke
Belly.

Belly

>> We are human, not perfect, each of us is sometimes right and sometimes wrong.

Posted by Belly, Thursday, 15 September 2011 3:56:28 AM <<

Belly

My last post was probably too cryptic.

I'm not perfect, neither are you.

I am sorry your discussion thread has turned into one of condolence for CJ Morgan. I should not have commented on your relationship with Morgan. You know what he meant to you. I do not.

I have lost a couple of people from this planet this year. I think I should follow the wisdom of Treebeard and be a little less hasty in future.

Well if CJ was here he'd know what to say and make light of it.
Cheer up Ammonite! The main thing is never to take ourselves too seriously, and I look forward to more cut and thrust in the future, wherein we all feign seriousness while we laugh at ourselves--in an ideal world.
And Belly, I'm afraid we'll be having words over Labor and Labor policy in the future, for I've been left with no one to vote for but the greens for decades past.
As for trolls, I'm afraid I'm terribly naive about such things, OLO being my only outlet in the big bad world of social media.
I tend to be an annoying prick by nature rather than design.
My precocious 13 year old son tells me we're watching Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life" now (his first time), so I'm off to do so, for the umpteenth time, in honour of CJ.
Adieu all.

Squeers

Your post made me think of "Life of Brian".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1loyjm4SOa0

Thanks

and so we get back to the basics
every reply can be a troll...depending on if it soothes or enrages

i too rertrict my commentary to the world..on olo
[except when im suspended yet again and go to my other forums]

like big idea or world freeman society or morgana
all of whom know me well enough not to

but its so much like talking to yourself..i prefer to debate
not just preach at the allready converted..i prefer to learn

life is about learning
and those with opinions..by teaching learn the most

i just looked up at the topic again
to re-focus my points..back to the topic
or else i would get lost in the learning issue
and begin my version of learning[by teaching/preaching]

which i what im allways looking to really do

there is so much about what cj is going through i would hope to passon..in dribs and drabs..because people avoid chunky grabs of info

and thats what life here is for
there[where cj now is posting with the many other olo's that have passed on efore us..[and there are so many]..[and thats not just figerative or poetic]..there relly is a spirit of olo forum

where we still reveal our own loves and dislikes
se death dosnt all of a sudden make a genious
sure anmy question we can frame gets immediate reply
but the thing is we need to think the question...FIRST*

nothing..'new'..can be given [there]
that can only happen here..

[thats why there is a here
and a 'there']

[here being relitive
to time or place]

here good and evil..can interact freely
there trolls are few and far between
there cj is wondering

where all them annoying destractions
and other posters..went to

[im parraphrasing...
cj wasnt like that]

but we dont know what we got
till their gone

but here on olo at least
their mem-or-wry
lives on

4 now

but so much more
in the ever now

know

or even if he may have..
you simply cant say that..without karmic blowback..

either here now..[by those who knew him better]..
or later in person..[ok in spirit],
when he mentions it..

at the spirit olo forum

it seems to me that many have moved on[crossed over]
that somehow..we need to give them respect/hounourum..here

that each poster that gets the upgrade
deserves their own 'topic'..

where we could highlight their posting revealations..in mortal material memortum..[darn cj these visions..your sending..are hard to put names to]

anyhow mate all the best
it was good to feel..your spirit again

he has been trying to
connect with others
by impressions
and other
emotive
imagry

it would be great
if they could be put..onto the same memorium page?

well mate thats that
live long and prosper

Ammonite I forgive and forget Friend I Ask, humbly that you give me another chance.
I felt CJ last night, want this thread to only be in his memory now.
After early trouble got in to Lexis link, for a while thought of paying to open a memorial link but here his mates best say good by.
If some one starts such a thread here I will come.
Morgan and I clashed, mostly on race issues and mostly post about 2009.
Pre election, night before in 2007 he and I swapped good wishes as mates do, I handed out greens HTV as no one turned up along side my ALP ones often did never again.
I valued once a thing that no longer exists.
Have said so in print here often.
We once lined up side by side to vote and paid no attention to who voted for who.
Even wearing my party's shirt now brings shill female taunts of betraying our country, men say it after I have gone.
Morgan needs no halo, he was a bloke who had his opinions and stood by them.
He was also one not easy to dislike I liked and missed him even before knowing he was gone.
Return to sender the link said, well he may not have agreed with that but I will miss him.

Oh no, I just read about CJ passing away. How sad I feel, even though I never met him either.

He was one I rarely disagreed with on this forum, and in fact one that stood up for me, and agreed with my take on things, on many occasions.

Rest in peace CJ... xxx

Dear Belly,

I thought about starting a separate thread for CJ.
But I've decided to leave things as they are.
CJ would find it funny to see so many posting
on a thread called, "Internet Trolls." He had a
great sense of humour. I think he would be suprised
and pleased to see the high regard in which he
was held in this discussion forum by so many of us.

He made a difference. He touched our hearts. And it
is our deepest sorrow that he is not here now.

All I can add is to wish that the journey ahead for
him be glorious and sweet. He shall be greatly missed.

cont'd ...

I forgot to add. If anyone wants to send their
condolences to CJ's partner Lorri and his family.
I believe that she's still working at the
Wallangarra Post Office, Qld. (on the Qld/NSW
border on the New England Highway). You can
Google the address or even the phone number and
give Lorri a call. It might help her to know how
highly we thought of CJ on this discussion forum.

It's up to you.

Lexi I want to thank you for the part you have played in bringing us this sad news.
And the warm verbal cuddles you give us all.
I am a bit stunned it came as a shock.
In truth I thought I would go long before CJ.
A few ideas, maybe this thread or a selection of CJ posts and those who will miss him answers sent to his wife would be welcome.
I held 1200 photos of my work mates on the roads.
After a death, [it was never the intention in taking them] family's came to our lunch room and took photos from the wall.
In one case it was the only photo that dad had of his son.
CJ needs no halo, but he was a bright and good bloke I would ask for no better that that after I go.
I believe CJ like me would not change his opinions and views and that too is the way it should be.
We all should think for a time about this, it is something I did everyday in my work life.
I would tell some one this,*if some one says something bad about you every one will know it in seconds*
*If they say some thing good you may never hear of it*
C J Morgan in verbal combat in verbal arm over the shoulder conversation, I respected you,will miss you.
Belly

Dear Belly,

Thank You.

I think that it's a brilliant idea to send copies of
the posts on this thread concerning what we thought
of CJ and how much he'll be missed to his partner
Lorri and family. I'll print them off and send them
along with a card once this thread is finished which
shouldn't be too long now.

im not sure cj dont deserve his own thread
but thats not for me to say

anyhow a thread dedicated to cj
should include a link to his post pages

and this topic is about trolls
and cj wernt no troll

anyhow i have had two dreams that directly relate to cj
one was trying to read a book..through the spine

i recall that the pages
were tearing..as i tried to read the book
then somehow i tried reading the book the right way
and was shown a ficker of faces..[none of which i knew]

i realised that i was trying to read the book
through the spine...thus the pages were tearing
as though they were stuck...after going through the book
the right way...the faces were revealed..[which i suspect was showing me those passed over from olo]

the other dream..was about me digging in the dirt
and finding these grey blobs..[that looked much like a screwwed up newspaper..but of a putty like consostancy..like crazey jelly

upon releasing these 'gems' from the dirt
they became alive..and began eating the other life forms arround me

[i destinctly recall these centipedal [like]..[former..]grey blobs..chasing an earthworm..and absorbing its life into its own

there are so many more dreams i cant recall
but dreams is how those passed over communicate with us
however so much they say is mundane..we only recall those that are put in a startling manner...[startling enough to 'recall']

we spend one quarter to one third of our 'lives' dreaming
often doing mundane things..[i find i do much cleaning..picking up and sorting of rubbish..literally]..for egsample in my dreams

others no doudt dream of kingdoms..or the hungry might eat food
or a prisoner might be sailing a boat..in short that we really wish to do we do in our dreams...and its absorbing our complete dream time into our full awareness..in the after life..that takes the most effort

[on the outside...we may be what we pretend to be
but the inside is what we intend or hope to be
and the after life sets it all free]

or something like that

Dear Johan (OUG),

I remember a friend of my mother's having a
dream when my grand father died suddenly
at an early age. My mother was so distrought.
Anyway her girlfriend told mum about her dream.
She dreamt that she saw grand father in her dream
and asked him how he was? Was he happy where he was?
Grand father replied that it was allright - but it
was better where he was before. She asked was he OK?
He said he was a bit cold and damp because people
were crying so much over his death. Instead of
tears, he said prayers would help him more.
Then mum's friend woke up.

After that my mother prayed instead of crying.

Dreams are such strange things aren't they.

yes lexie dreams are amasing
even animals dream...many pets sleep in etrernity
just dreaming with their 'other half'...[thier master]
till the day their master comes home.

one of lifes theories holds that all there is is god
that we are..but god dreaming things gods dream

[god is one..having no peer no equal..no life mate]
i hold that god made 'adam'..to try to find an equal
that adam rejected god..and god gave him his sister*

[yes full conitations intended]

knowing in time they would relise..god judges no-one..
not even adam..who wanted the same as what the beasts got

i dont mind being alone
feeling like god feels...alone

i too have my dreams
but as we men often hear...'only..in ya dreams'

we live in the land of oz[zzzzz]
in the land of the dream time

but chose to make our own nighmare
even in the next life we are allowed to dream

anyhow im lost in dream imagry
so will gently wakeup..or decide to try vivid dreaming

but i guess i prefer
to leave it to the master dreamer

yes i too 'have a dream'
but freewill deems i must let others

live their own nightmare
knowing their 'other' dreams

deliver the karma

OUG before you joined OLO a long time ago we had a thread about such things as your post talks about.
It was along one,many including myself bought issues of belief in an after life not related to God up
Some of course spoke from a Christian point of view.
In those day Christian posters existed in big numbers here, but some still drop in.
I doubt we should now start another thread.
My thought is the informal nature of this one best serves our memory's and maybe the healing of CJs family.
Your idea of the link to his history here is brilliant.
Thanks Lexi.

i looked through this 53 pages on spirits
to try to see if cj came in on it
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4092&page=0

but he sadly didnt

then there was this one on dying with dignety
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11084&page=0

no cj either

god insisting egsisting
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11084&page=0

no cj either

ok here is some of cj words
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1598&page=0

""Yes, the Microsoft Office Assistant
is definitely a manifestation of Baalzebub.""

yep that matches the topic
lol

not
so the troll topic
as ode to his greatness
will give him..a giggle..

on ya son

anyhow his post histry is here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/user.asp?id=28653&show=history

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his first posted words
''» 18/09/2006 11:43:59 AM
Sounds like the history equivalent of the Broncos vs the Knights!.....""

go bronkos?

ANYHOW

well done ol son