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Posted by rehctub, Friday, 16 September 2011 1:23:18 PM
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Dear rehctub,
You need to get hold of the facts. The following links may help: http://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au And - http://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/the-benefits-of-a-carbon-price/ Posted by Lexi, Friday, 16 September 2011 2:25:49 PM
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Lexi it really is time to stop posting labor party propaganda as if it has some worthwhile truth in it. Only a puppet could believe this stuff.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 16 September 2011 2:41:12 PM
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Student G
I suggest you do a bit of research on the global cooling scare of the 70's and the many lies made up by Al Gore, data manipulation by the IPCC and just see how much carbon is emitted by volcanos compared with that which humans emit. You could not possibly then be gullible enough to think taxing will make one bit of difference to our ever changing climate. Posted by runner, Friday, 16 September 2011 4:38:39 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,
If you think that only a "puppet" could believe Australia's top economists and scientists - what does that say about those who believe the vacuous spin and rhetoric instead. Still, I guess it took the medical profession from the 1960s to the present era to get the public, and the governments we elect, to act on the toxic, life-taking effects of tobacco. Eventually sanity prevailed, although it took over 40 years. It is clearly time for economists to commence their campaign for pollution taxes and getting prices to tell the truth. And that is precisely what is currently happening with the support of the current government. Posted by Lexi, Friday, 16 September 2011 5:27:46 PM
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Lexi, even the government takes its advice from non scientist, so that say something dont you think.
Now, do you agree that its the people who cause the problem and not the poluters, as they are simply suppling our needs. Now if you do agree then why are we punishing the poluters rather than taxing the users. Of cause, if the users we taxed directly, then the tax paid would be free from all costs and profits. Now a good way would be to have a sliding scale for usage of polution causing items, so that it becomes a true user pays system that rewards those for sound practices. You may not be able to grasp the concept, but if a business is hit with a tax, which is in fact an exoense, then they not only have to recoup the costs, but also their costs and the amoun for lost opportunity. This is why 1 billion in will be charged at more like 1.4 , billion out. Posted by rehctub, Friday, 16 September 2011 7:45:28 PM
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Firstly, such major changes shoud be taken to the people so we as a whole can evaluate then decide.
Secondly a carbon tax is simply a permit to polute and as such there is no penilty for poluters as they will simply pass the tax on, plus some.
One billion in tax will result in about 1.4 billion in passed on costs.
Now if it were an ETS, that would be different as poluters would have to buy credits which would limit polution.
But, the underlying issues are;
1. We the consumers are responsible for polution as the polutrs are simply servicing our needs.
2. If Australia we to cease all emissions it would hardly be noticed globally and, as polution is a global issue, its a bit like one farmer spraying for weeds while ten others dont bother.
Pissing into a fan is one saying that comes in to mind.