Paul1405,
We all live in an educated world and the sort of emotional bigotry you express shows you are ill informed of the reality of nature.

Marriage takes place for the procreation of children, that happened long before the State ever got involved and formulated laws. God created marriage to be a natural act between a man and a woman for the procreation and protection of children, that can only happen between a man and a woman. When two men evole give birth to children then we can talk about undoing our views of how nature dis-criminates against homosexuals. You can change the name but you will never change the FACTS!

Dear Philo,

You made questionable statements:

You wrote: Marriage takes place for the procreation of children, that happened long before the State ever got involved and formulated laws.

Wrong. To procreate children one doesn't need marriage. Somebody has to care of children. That may be neither the biological father nor mother.

You wrote: God created marriage to be a natural act between a man and a woman for the procreation and protection of children, that can only happen between a man and a woman.

Wrong. Marriage has developed by societal agreement. In some tribal cultures same sex marriage is an accepted practice.

You also wrote: You can change the name but you will never change the FACTS!

Right. You cannot change facts. When you cite facts instead of robot-like iterating your prejudices there will be no no argument.

Philo, I have to agree with david f, and suggest you remove your religious blinkers for five minutes.

I know many heterosexual couples, male and female, who married but had no intention of having children.

Two of them my siblings, who made sound decisions, in my view and, more important, in their own.

You Philo, would condemn them? For not carrying out your gods plan?

Really Philo, you do have a cheek you know.

Now, just how many children did you have?

One a year for all your child-making days?

No?

SINNER!

“God created marriage to be a natural act between a man and a woman for the procreation and protection of children.” Philo your whole argument assumes that there is a God. It’s all well and good to reinforce your line with references to God. The deaths of millions of innocent people have taken place according to some with the blessing of God. Can’t rely on God to gives us good advice can we.

paul quote...""The deaths of millions of innocent people
have taken place according to some*..with the blessing of God.""

this isnt gods 'fault'
those who truelly seek to know god
know all good is of god..[and all murder rape etc..is that of man/woman..CHOSING to do vile]

god gives no licence..for men to do much that they CHOSE to do

""Can’t rely on God to gives us good advice can we.""

he is the one...all can trust
but its the peverse [including much 'religeon'..
that proves it simply cant be trusted..this is nought to do with good[god]

i went over the roots accorded to marrage
that claims to have its beginning in genesis

and that is only able to be made
by clever maniplulation of fact

the CLAIMED authority...immediatly follows the warning
[re not eating of the fuits of the tree]

and god only chose to make..'the man'..a helper
not a wife

in fact wife dont even rate a mention till later
gen 12.1..when abraham was asked to leave*

this *leave..is also mentioned at gen 2;24
for this reason..a man will leave his father

this 'leave is based on eph 5;28-30
where gen 2'23..records its words

the words quioted read

''this is now bone of my bones
andf flesh of my flesh

she shall be called woman
for she was taken out of man''

gen 2;24 speaks of leave father/mother..
''and be united *to his wife
and they will become one flesh'

and lo the marriage mirage was born
it then further says

the man and his wife
were both naked..and they felt no shame

next it goes on to gen 3
and eve chattying with the 'serphant'

the sequence has a kind of flow
naked chick talking to a serphant

anyhow the roots of the mirage of marrage are vague
i still hold its more to do with the state
than with love

lets face it god giving you..your opposing sex...*clone
[to wit your sister/daughter..as a wife]..
that dont sound very xtian dont it?

but then who is not your brother/sister

Marriage is a sexual act between a man and a woman covered today by a legal contract. It is the physical sexual union of a man and a woman who are committed exclusively to each other for life.

Marriage is not a registered contract with the State! Marriage is not the declaration of love. Though in marriage we recognise holds both ot these. Though homosexuals pretend marriage is just these.

Most ancient societies needed a secure environment for the perpetuation of the species, a system of rules to handle the granting of property rights to descendants, and the protection of family bloodlines. The State instituted the act of marriage to handle these needs.
The word marriage may be taken to denote the conjugal union and the union itself as an enduring condition. It is usually defined as the legitimate union between husband and wife. "Legitimate" indicates the sanction of some kind of natural law, while the phrase, "husband and wife", implies mutual rights of sexual intercourse, life in common, and an enduring union.