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Collective Identity and How the West was Lost.

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Lack of supporting evidence is against you, Boaz, yet again. In fact, it looks as though you are arguing against yourself a little, too.

>>West Lacks strong Collective identity... Pericles asks 'compared to what'... I'd say any society which clearly has a strong idea about itself and direction in life... Ask a Greek "what does it mean to be Greek"? and I'm pretty sure you will get a very confident and elaborate answer.<<

Pretty sure, Boaz? No evidence, just a "pretty sure" speculation?

>>Ask an Aussie, and we might get "meat pies and aussie rules"<<

Or, as you keep telling us, a list that starts with mateship, goes on to shaking hands and ends with the concept of best and fairest. How do we know that the Greek version is not equally vague, anodyne and irrelevant?

Just saying something out loud doesn't make it true.

>>post modernism is all about 'individual truth'.. "it works for me" kind of thing.. or.. an individual perception of a particular event. So.. this kind of thinking contributes very much to a weak sense of 'collective' idenity<<

I think it is very brave of you to attempt to define the term. Most scholars fail - Wikipedia observes:

"It is an idea that has been extremely controversial and difficult to define among scholars, intellectuals, and historians, largely because the term implies to many of these commentators that the modern historical period has passed."

So it is really a matter of "make it up as you go along", isn't it? Not much of a basis for critique, Boaz, especially from you.

"Migrants with a strong self [sic] of identity"

Just so that we know, is this a good or a bad thing? Would you prefer them to have a weak sense of identity? After all, you have already decided to categorise us in this fashion, and labelled it as a problem.

Let's be honest for a moment here.

You selected a quote that is in itself extremely shaky, as well as having been taken out of all context.

Just let it rest, and move on.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 16 March 2007 8:55:53 AM
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