Col know you are not my number one poster.
And that I now hold the view the world has too many who like you have closed minds.
But much of what you said, well some, is true.
Stunning!
As a kid, not unlike the snotty nosed brat you describe, fuel cost about 16 cents in todays money,1 shilling and 6 penths a gallon.
Diesel on coming was only 11 pence!
It had been intended that it not petrol would run cars, still could,and as for power Bazz it can be gained.
Me Socialistic grub that I am,think too private Enterprise or our Australian CSIRO an excellent driver of change despite very form of government trying to kill it will find answers.
In our youth Bazz Col me we still had kero fridges lamps trams and steam trains.
Have faith in this generation and the next only war or financial collapse, we have not learned to change that, can stop us/them.

Belly, I would have liked to respond to your last post but it was largely unintelligible

I have to admit to limited abilities

Nature confined my language skills exclusively to English.

Please indulge me just this once... try writing with an English translation or at least a precis (you know, deleting the ad hominines and attempts at smartness) as a footnote

AH! Col! so sorry, not worth the effort replying to you.
A thread like this, about a promising chance of a future far better, just maybe the answer to energy and fuels, food too.
Can get bogged down in silliness, we should understand ,humanity is like that.
I do not know if this is the answer,have no intention of bolting my self on top the greens wheel barrow.
Fact is every party is a conservationist one, some more than others.
If we consider the lies science tells us, so Germany can take over the world/the very rich can get even richer, on the carbon tax.
We then must look at the rest of the deeds of these lying Beggars!
Are the planets real or painted on the sky.
Is sex really the way kids come, trust no one those Scientists lie.

And our Col? wounder? maybe it is rude of me? if Col slandered the Conservatives, in the heavy handed way he does us SOCIALIST LEFTY well no.
Yes my English nonfreind I write strangely, but bet bloke I am about ten points higher up the IQ ladder than you.

Dear Belly,

Logically thinking when the most technologically advanced societies
are now digging even deeper into the planetary environment for the
raw materials and energy they need to fuel their economic development,
and as their populations grow, it's only natural that sooner or later
their expanding demand will exceedthe planet's finite resources.

Indeed, if the current patterns
of extraction are continued
most of the known resources will be exhausted
fairly soon, in many cases
within a century. New resources will no doubt be found, but the rate
of discovery of new deposits is dropping off rapidly.
In some cases, shortages can be met
by resorting to lower-grade deposits
that were considered too expensive to exploit in the past.
In other cases a
technological fix comes to the rescue in the form of synthetic
substitutes, such as already has happened with plastic for wood or
carbon fiber for steel. As demand grows in the future, however, some
shortages and resulting price increases are inevitable.

In the case of vital commodities, the results could be economic
dislocation. For example, rises in the price of oil in the early 1970s
when gasoline rose at an incredible price - shocked the world economy.
In the inflation slump that followed, some 45 million workers in the
industrialised countries lost their jobs.
Oil is a non-renewable resource
which will inevitably be exhausted one day.

One resource that is very much in short supply everywhere is fresh water.
Anyway, we have no choice but to look towards
relying on technological innovations to solve problems for our future, especially
if we continue on our current path of population growth and consumption.
So as I stated previously - Thank You for this thread -
and for your attempts to try to have a reasoned intelligent discussion.

Thank-Q lexi

Couldn't of expressed it better myself.

"Logically thinking when the most technologically advanced societies
are now digging even deeper into the planetary environment for the
raw materials and energy they need to fuel their economic development,
and as their populations grow, it's only natural that sooner or later
their expanding demand will exceed-the planet's finite resources."

Now we will put space exploration on hold for just a moment ( since MARS is back in the lime-light with its possible saltwater on the cards.....and any geologist knows what this means.

Future could be wonderful, if and only if...when we talk contradictions that our effects/populations see the never-ending-story that seems to be not in our grasps of our currant IQ.

Birth control on a global scale has and is the only commonsensical answer.

I can put endless links on how the human condition has gotten out of control.

All the warning signs are here.

Good luck.

LEAP

Dear QL,

The prospect of the possibility of water
on Mars is a rather exciting concept.
Who knows where that may lead?