Shadow Minister

I wouldnt know much about many of your other posts because i picked you ages ago so mostly skip yours given each one i read was the same tone- despite the topic. Bit like Tony really.
I suppose its no surprise birds of a feather flock together. You almost sound like a form liberal campaign manger.
That aside yes -i did use the term nasty because its so disappointing to see the only opposition being headed by somebody with an aggressive personal nasty attack on Julie. I get it that you cant see it because your of the same attitude from what i read. The old school libs and national will never change. Lets just look at them one by one shall we.
So called good Church followers who were in Government for ten years prior Howard 3 weeks into his first term moved to make Animal Welfare self regulated KNOWING barbaric cruelty to animals was red hot on the agenda- so despicable. Tony sitting in parliment screaming sendem anyway.

ALP are hopeless with $ that is true but if the PM sakes 50% of her office staff and a few Ministers and theirs I think she will make twice the PM Tony ever could. Not because hes not intelligent- but because he just cant hide his real nature.
Who wants a nasty PM- nobody. Hes running around scaring the public to do as much damage to Au economy as he can right now.
& you tell me to take some responsibility.

KA

"Who wants a nasty PM- nobody." - But we are stuck with her.

SHes running around scaring the public to do as much damage to Au economy as she can right now.

Juliar's platform is "Lets commit economic vandalism on ourselves to show the world the way. We know we won't do diddly for the environment, but will show we are really really take it seriously."

Time to turn the bulldust down, RStuart

You indict Tony because he had the gall to say that protesters –some of whom happened to carry placards calling Julia “Bob Browns Bitch” or a “Witch” --just might have a valid gripe.

Yet you missed entirely the fact that Julia cavorts with elements of the labour movement who delight in calling Tony “The Mad Monk “.And you missed Julia’s tendency to say “Mr Rabbit” each time she addresses Tony.

You attack Tony for telling lies but excuse away Julia’s lies because “circumstances have changed”

You get things arse about, telling us some cock and bull story about: “ police intervene(ing) to prevent carbon tax protesters from harassing each other” http://www.theaustralian.com.au/story-fn99tjf2-1226093905998
but when we read the article, the woman in question had left the meeting after being called “a tree hugger ” – hardly a name one would call a carbon tax protester.In fact both the woman and her wantabe companion were likely card carrying greenies!

You completely miss what should be the major story of the week : the govts attempt to intimidate the media.
“Julia Gillard has urged journalists to not "write crap" while signalling support for a wide-ranging inquiry into the nation's media.”http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/9846794/gillard-tells-journos-to-cut-the-crap/

And by the time you get to your 1,2,3… 4th post, you’ve moved on to Bush & the US debt ( all of which it seems was Bush's doing !) and the state of US China relations – you are right about one thing –you do digress.

No wonder Shadow Minster doesn’t want to address your points. He’d be hard pressed just to find them amongst all the bulldust!

It continues to stick out that some seem to think that these tactics have originated (or come to prominence) with Abbott.

The scare campaigns and negativity about the other sides actions and plans have been a big part of campaigning since at least the campaign where Hewson took the GST proposal to the electorate. Possibly before.

A failure to be clear on the detail of opposition policy has been a long running tactic by both sides.

Popping up in places where you can get a media grab (often wearing a hard hat and reflective vest) has been a long running tactic.

Saying what you think you need to say to get elected has been going on for a long time, anyone remember Peter Garrott's comment about that in the lead up to the election a few years ago.

None of that makes Abbott a particularly appealing prospect for PM any more than it's made his predecessors but the targeting of Abbott over it as though he was somehow a lot worse than the others for doing those things is hardly credible.

I'd dearly love to see a candidate for the top job who did not play those games, the major parties don't seem to be willing to take the electoral risk to be different.

R0bert

Shadow Minister,

No shes not running around talking down the economy at all >Tony is.
Apart from that do give the public some credit. Blind Freddy can see we heading for trouble.
The damage being done now over this carbon tax before its even here is worse than the tax itself. Julies problem is some media outlets are pro libs and there are some powerful ones too.

I understand Julies this problem well Shadow Minister as just about every other person or group that tries to improve animal welfare does.

The vetted interests of the media have more power than Julie and Tony put together. eg- a while back there was another stuff up in WA with a ship full of sheep. I am talking about right here in Australia a mini cormo express. The journos were not allowed to print the story and told point blank it would upset the many regional newspapers and others with their vetted interests in the cruel trade. This is WRONG*

What AU needs is a complete clean up of media ownership and how its run. As for Australia SM imop it can not be saved now long term whoever is PM. If USA goes under again with Italy and the others its going to effect China and then god help us.

I sadly predict that down the track there will be no pensions for our elderly ( well slashed by 80%) no jobs for Australians who will be replaced by off shore workers. What we need to do is train kids and get them out of unis into real jobs. We can make our own shoes, push bikes small good, upholstery etc..
Anyway what is the point because nobody wants these jobs right now
Wait a few years - they will be screaming for a job for in return rice. Who knows they may even make Kevin Rudd minister of the rice bowl because the way hes spending Aussies money doubling the aid- he too needs a lesson in economy.

If Julie doesn't sake him for good we will be in even deeper:

R0bert

*I'd dearly love to see a candidate for the top job who did not play those games, the major parties don't seem to be willing to take the electoral risk to be different.*

Robert, best comment on the thread maybe i misjudged you. Well done and for me give me Nick Xenophon to toss his hat in.