With the resumption of the live export trade, complete with it's lack of reform, surely these incompetent fools can't find anything else to stuff up, or can they?

your too late
the new list reveals now greens
are actually releassing govt policy

[the new/latest green sceme
bundeling all the green fluff in the same NEW govt dept]

run by the greenies

lets not forget the joke of juliar
talking to the converted..in sydney town hall
[clapping..[ape plause]..on cue]...

or the leakey policy
dribbling out pre sunday

then was that guy on lateline
not replying the questions..repeatedly
only there..lol,..to slaggoff at phoney tony

if it wernt so serious
it could be funny

oh well onto the next spin
begotten from the next..fokcuss group
its howard all over again...

[noting juliar visited rupert too]
ie the uk media scam..

[she knows...what she did
they did too]

[or rather what they did..SHE DID TOO..!]

Dear rehctub,

I could not agree with you more.
& yes they can stuff up the Bill placed before Parliament to Ban the dam trade and concentrate of putting the $ back here in Australia.

...As I stated in a previous post, this Government is now defunct…Kaput…Australia is “rudd..(er)..less”.

rudd..(er)..less”.

Um catchy that isn't it. sort of like leaky boats* that always bring votes one way or the other.

It would appear the English breakfast really works, two posts in one night after such a long spell in the cupboard. Still its safe now you can come out from hiding the greens will protect you from the libs:)

Kerryanne I to am opposed to live trade, however, if it is going to be banned it must be phased out to allow all involved to make alternative arrangements.

such a move would take a minimum of 10 years in my view.

The who point is at what stage is enough enough.

Anyone involved in this industry has had their confidence rocked and who is to say this mob won't just pull the rugg again at any time.

Lack of confidence in our leaders is the biggest concern we face as the job creators will simply stop taking risks, or they will join golden circle and leave.

These farmers are running a one million acre plus farm so to upkeep that for a month without income would break most of us.

There are even suggestions that rud has been banned from going to indo in fear of showing her up. -Again!

In my view he was a good man with a hopeless party. She is an incompetent fool with the same crew.

Now we have a raticle fanatic pushing her buttons. The only way forward is down.

Rehctub, I agree that the suspension of live exports was one of the most phenomenally stupid stuff-ups of all time in Australian politics. Second only to Rudd’s unbelievable reopening of the onshore asylum-seeking debacle.

Now that they have proven that they can make the most bizarre political judgements, I’m sure there are many other things that they could stuff right up.

Some clown, on another topic, has suggested we should give them control of coal mining, & the income from it's royalties.

Apart from someone who doesn't like Queensland having access to it's own wealth, I suspect they may be greenies, who want to close coal mining down.

They may be misguided in wanting to stop coal mining, but they are obviously not stupid. They know damn well, that anything this government touches turns into excitement, & know commonwealth control, with this lot, is the kiss of death for any industry.

Hybrid Camry anyone, or would you prefer roof insulation?

Can they possibly find anything else to stuff up.
They're spending a lot of our money finding ways of doing so.

Get a grip of yourself, This sounds like the way forward, get off oil and coal. AU could even do this alone. Bad luck unbelievers, We will move on.

*Kerryanne I to am opposed to live trade, however, if it is going to be banned it must be phased out to allow all involved to make alternative arrangements.

such a move would take a minimum of 10 years in my view.*

rehctub

Stop on! but its time we started. Now if the good doer Animal libs would get out of the way.

You must remember too- that the Indonesia Minister of trade told Stephen Smith in May 2010 they were not taking anymore live cattle after 2014 from Australia.

So whose been asleep at the wheel- again Us.Interesting AA went in now- did they know this- no idea but probably.

AA RSPCA National have for years refused and WSPA meetings that could make a HUGE difference with Saudi and Australian Muslim leaders to faze out live.

So whats the real deal?

Either way its cruel and bad long term for Australia.

Cheer

can they possably..?
almost certainly

look at todays joke
thirty minutes..for tony..to point out
6 new burocrazies..22 new scemes..spending 9.2 billion..[in 5 years]
to the one the greens rejected..[krudds at 20 billion for 10 year's lol]

the joke read the last page modle
is so many are getting relief[maybe]
its worse than the NOT churn...wind-sore refused
[ie it ciosts extra money...2 billion...[and tony was called to account over 3 billion]...lol

seems there will be 17 billion in new taxes
and qwE STILL DONT KNOW WHO THIS 500 alone[lol]..who will pay

we got so much bailing out via the scemes
one needs wonder about the higher price[$23]
than the eurpean carbon sceme[of 18 euro's]

we aere selling 500 carbon poluting rights
and 501 gets off scott free...[will the disparity of debt
see diesal plants gaining monetory advantage over coal]..

were told 15 billion of tax cuts?
but maybe that marginal rate to pay income tax move?
go from 15 to 19%..30-33%...that that removes 1 million from paying tax..[by falling below the threshold]..im shiocked so many..for such a seemingly small %..

how many people are working for less than 17,000
well soon 1 million less will pay..

9 out of ten will make a proffit of 20 cents
but what of the one in 9 paying for the rest of it?

but wait there is more..
ONLY 500 will pay...lol

so what you getting the $9.90 for?

its so convoluted
but i think farmers will still get their share
of the 12 billion..fuel subsidy
but the miners dont

notiung the 2015 price..will be as tony said
before she adopted his policies

oner hand washes the other
both parties cast in the same mould

most embarrising comment
christeen milne

less talk than a single question time
noting its on gods day..

the athiest pm did her avoidance of scrutiny
[all the xtiasns were in church...only athiest news media need apply]

plenty left to stuff up

I disagree. The suspension of live exports is the best thing that the Gillard government's done: It demonstrated to the industry, both here and in Indonesia, in no uncertain terms that the Australian government is prepared to act decisively on animal welfare issues. Oddly, the industry managed to do more with respect to humane slaughter in a couple of weeks than they'd managed in the decade before.

With respect to asylum seekers, the government acted ethically in removing the cruel 'Pacific Solution', but is now backsliding according to the dictates of the focus groups who actually run the country. If they go ahead and reinstate Howard's policy somewhere like Malaysia, they will be seen to be both weak and heartless.

I agree that we have to get off our dependence on oil and coal, both domestically for energy and internationally our participation in the cheap coal trade. We're like pushers selling coal like crack cocaine to the developing world, notably China. If we were half smart we'd at least put severe restrictions on the trade to preserve unrenewable resources and force the price up to something reswembling its real cost. An eventual ETS wpuld help in that respect.

If the Gillard government follows up the carbon tax and enforces regulation of standards in live exports with some more positive legislation, who knows - they may even have a chance at the next election!

Morg what it shows it further evidence of a government lacking from both confidence and know how.

Sure, there were issues with some 12 a bbs, or so. However, there were also more than 700 that ere doing the right thing in our eyes, yet, these fools chose to shut the whole thing down.

more so, they have reopened it without achieving much.

Just imagine if your local council banned all dogs simply because 12 out of some 800 were barking. In essence, this is what these fools have done here, only, they have done little to stop the barking dogs.

@ rehctub:

I think you've got that about exactly arse-up. It was about 12 Indonesian abattoirs doing the right thing versus 700 contravening minimum animal welfare standards. Now they're all motivated to lift their game, if they want to source their stock in Australia.

Like I said, it was a good result.

Hay Morgan, would you like to suggest what we should do to earn a living, & pay all those academics, & bureaucrats, & their future pensions.

You want to close down coal; Don't get coal seam, or shale gas going; Close down live exports; Stop grazing cows, to stop the farting of methane; Don't harvest any timber, & on it goes.

Please pray tell, what should we do to earn a living? We won't even be able to take in the bureaucrats washing, there won't be any money to pay them anyway.

Well being in the meat industry I doubt I have got it A- up as you suggest.

I to would like to know just were our wealth will come from?

Do you drive a car?

Do you drive that car on any man made roads.

Do you live in a house that is not a whole in the ground?

Do you have power on at your house?

Do you have ANY appliances that were manufactured?

Now if you answer yes to any of these questions, then why do you want to deny future
and existing generations from the benefits that you were given from having these little lux's

@ rehctub:

Being in the meat industry, I shouldn't be surprised that you apparently base your knowledge on meat industry spin. You seem to confuse the initial ban on 11 abattoirs that were the subject of the 4 Corners report with a completely unsupported assertion that all the rest operate according to acceptable standards. The ban has now been provisionally lifted on 25 of them that appear to meet international standards, but the other 575 are yet to be inspected.

From that, you assert that "there were also more than 700 that ere (sic) doing the right thing in our eyes" on the basis of such partial information. How can you know that, given they haven't even been inspected?

You employ similarly flawed logic when it comes to your list of questions. Of course, like most Australians, I live in a house, drive a car on the road, and own various appliance. As a member of the 'baby boomer' generation I am part of the cohort that has squandered finite resources and destroyed the environment at a higher per capita basis than ever before.

However, unlike you I take on board the masses of evidence that we simply can't keep on going the way we are sustainably. Far from denying my children and their descendants anything, I want them to inherit a world that isn't an overcrowded, polluted, overheated wreck of what it once was.

(Continues...)

(...Continued)

We don't need to consume energy and other resources at unsustainable levels. When you and I were born, we did so into a comfortable society with a standard of living higher than most of the world, even now. How much would we suffer if we didn't build McMansions that require air conditioners to be livable? Just how many TVs and other appliances do you need for a family? Do you really need that second car? Is everybody entitled to a holiday house and boat? Can't you have a holiday somewhere where it isn't necessary to fly?

The fact is that the best evidence tells that AGW is happening, with very negative results for our descendants unless we bite the bullet and start to do something about it. We need to wean ourselves off coal, which puts us in the position of a junkie who has to sell dope to fund their own habit.

Yes, there will be pain. But there will be a whole lot more if we do nothing. I support an eventual ETS and reduction in consumption, precisely because I want my kids and grandkids to inherit a planet that will sustain them into the future. It is you who is showing selfish disregard for future generations, not those of us who want real action on AGW.

@ Hasbeen:

You've answered your own question - we need to shift our economy from its current 'banana republic' structure, where we act as the world's quarry and destroy our scarce forests, to a first world economy that creates new green industries that are able to be sustained into the future. As I said, there'll be pain, but there is absolutely no alternative in the long run. All that 'business as usual' will achieve is delaying the inevitable, when the effects will undoubtedly be worse. But of course, you won't be around then, will you?

Please tell us Morgan what clean green industries are you talking about? I have yet to have any one tell me what they are, or better still where they are working.

If you find out, you had best go tell Spain, & California. They both based their futures on this pie in the sky, & both are bankrupt.

Other US states that signed up are now running as fast as possible to try to get back to a workable economy.

I await your answer.

@ Hasbeen:

Instead of playing the old game of you trolling and demanding answers to questions from me, I've got a more productive suggestion - let's turn the tables and play hypotheticals!

You present yourself as one of those practical, down to earth types who knows everything. As such, you currently deny that Anthropogenic Global Warming is happening, so you haven't turned your creative mind to working on strategies to adapt to it as yet - otherwise we'd obviously have those elusive solutions. Let's pretend for the sake of the execise that the boffins aren't in it for the fame, status and wealth, and that they're correct about AGW, and ultimately its effects will wreak havoc on our society. Let's also assume that, for various equally good reasons, nuclear energy is not an option.

As the 'can-do' man that you are above all others, what would you suggest if the AGW hypothesis is true? Do we keep on digging up coal and selling it cheaply to the big emitters until it's all gone? Do we keep on subsidising coal-fired power stations that belch out greenhouse gases, literally like there's no tomorrow? Do we continue to allow public transport services to decline while building ever more elaborate freeways? Do we continue to bribe people to reproduce? What sort of indutries would you recommend that don't add to our greenhouse emissions?

At the moment you're in denial about AGW, so you haven't had to consider seriously these kinds of questions. You remind me of the last generation of Nauruans, who squandered the non-renewable resource that had made them rich, while rendering their land virtually useless for any other purpose, which is why gthe poor bastards now want to host detention centres. Hey, why don't we adopt your approach, since that option is open to us - we could turn Australia into one bid refugee camp for people displaced by climate change!

I await your hypothetical answers.

moregainzola..quote..""what would you suggest
if the AGW hypothesis is true?""

i would let industry
go into the resssion it has to have
[ie let the cost send some broke;thats capitalism

i would stop trying to pick winners
and giving non market values for solar cells
we heavelly subsised...then pay extra top-up..for their day time power

[i would charge them double for their nighttime use
ie for the extra coal..firing up coal for night time really costs]

i would make them build their own lines to solar/wind farms]

and charge those who are hoked to coal power at night pay fair share..at true value[and not make a new deerivitive for the elites to trade in/on

that will se the price of carbon permits go to as much as the market can bear

'"Do we keep on digging up coal""

define copal..[are you talking to that 'special coal'
NEEDED to make steel..or that brown mud coal from a swamp]

are you suggesting that all coal is just coal
that only carbon polution from coal is the real problem
WHAT ABOUT FUeL c02?..that c02 is kosha?

""Do we continue to allow public transport services
to decline while building ever more elaborate freeways?""

no
but mate when was the last time you took a bus?
their fares have gone insane..way beyond inflation..
[state dent..odious debt iof the states [alp states proffiteering]

qld debt alone will be 75 billion in 2015

""Do we continue to bribe people to reproduce?""

do we continue to bribe people to get solar?

do we keep subsidizing big users...
who arnt..one of the 500?

What sort of indutries
would you recommend to get your tax
do you trust govt to 'pick' winners?

why still subsidize farmers polution...
of nitrous oxide..100 times worse than c02
or methane from home composting..

the 'cleaner fluid..used on solar cells
is 140 times as bad a 'greenhouse'gas
producer*

140...times worse than c02
[read rupert murdock]

At the moment you're in denial about the solution
doing the wrong thing..is worse than doing nothing

Morgan, you are the one wanting to disrupt every one's life, with the bee in your bonnet, not me.

If you want to be taken seriously, give us the reasons why we should listen to you. Then tell us how we could survive, if we did as you demand.

You lefties are all the same. Pontificate continually, but have no answer when the acid is on you.

Just to help out. Public transport has greater cost & emission per passenger mile than the private. Save yourself making the mistake of recommending it as an answer to your desire.

Come on Hasbeen - surely an action man of the world like you is up to the challenge?

Imagine that AGW is happening and will have dire effects on society and environment unless checked, and that nuclear energy is not an option.

What would a brilliant engineer like you suggest?

Dear Hasbeen,

Here's the answer to you questions:

http://newmatilda.com/2011/07/11/carbon-tax-we-had-have

Read the entire article - and finger-crossed that you may,
just may, see the picture picture.

Morgan,

I just do not understand why you keep claiming some type of victory re the Abattoirs in Indonesia.
Sure at least AA tried but we have failed.

The Minister had given no guarantee that animals must be stunned prior to slaughter.
"Stunning must be a non-negotiable aspect of live trade,”

They absolutely refuse to do it and always have & always will.

OIE guidelines do not require stunning before slaughter of cattle. Without stunning, cattle can exhibit indicators of possible consciousness for up to 2 minutes after the throat is cut, leading to a slow and pain death. The welfare standards which are acceptable to the Australian public and farmers cannot be guaranteed in overseas markets. Look I dont know why AA or Lyn went it when they did. This has been going on for donkeys years- so why now when we were told they are winding up in a few years. Was it a fund raiser- probably not. Did it help- long term I think so.

Just trust me too there is no way they give a stuff over there about what political spin our polys give to the Aussie public.

People by from freed lots and let me tell you nobody gives a rats what tattooed on the poor cows bum.

It should be banned 100% its as simple as that

The butchers spin would have a better hold on whats real and what you read on AA web site.

Thats for sure. Hasbeen you wont get anywhere mate because Morgan is always right. You should know that by now but good luck.