@ rstuart:

Thanks for your observations. I'd been spending more time at this site than usual and was beginning to despair. The strategy of broken record out, brick wall in is crude but effective.

I've noticed that the latest meme being deployed by the denialists is to claim that their freedom of speech is threatened when people disagree with them. As in the act of disagreement itself constituting a restriction of another's freedom of speech. I'm not kidding.

I've come to the conclusion that those who are still pushing the various AGW denialist apologetics at this stage of the debate are impervious to evidence and reason. They're beginning to remind me of those odd cases of Japanese soldiers from WW2 who'd turn up every now and again on some Philippine island, refusing adamantly to believe that the war was over and the Emperor had lost.

@ spindoc:

What's with this 'C'AGW acronym I've seen popping up on the redneck and denialist sites of late? Is it some devastating new disinformation strategy, like 'Carbon DIOXIDE Tax'? Personally, I don't think it has quite the dumb appeal as 'great big new tax on everything' for sheer, unambiguous ignorance.

Two out of three Australians now oppose the CO2 tax.
Spindoc,
I don't think people are against a tax towards curbing pollution. But, like myself, they are against paying for something pointless like this proposed tax. I'd be one of the first to put up my hand & have done so on many occasions when I felt it worthwhile. This new tax is not worthwile. We'd be better off using the money to help low income people find a home.

Not going to hang around spindoc.
You and I are opposites.
But just once.
Just this time.
Tell me this,are the charges you lay against me, and those who believe.
About trying to Negate the other sides view not ones that could be made about every one in this debate?
As I gently close the door behind me, bid you all enjoy,I offer this.
*One side of this debate, there can only be one truth, is wrong,has fallen for self interest and lies fear and manipulation in support of that self interest I AM READY TO BE JUDGED*
Enjoy.

Spindoc, you talk of freedom of speech.

You are invited to have a say here:

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/06/24/clearing-up-the-climate-debate/

You could even join the "Conversation":

http://theconversation.edu.au/

Will you use your freedom of speech to add your name to the comments spindoc, or will you just spout nonsense here?

Still at it ?
Still worrying about the wrong problem ?

Here you are chewing your fingernails over AGW in fifty years time
and we are five years past peak oil.
The economy is teetering on the edge of a cliff, and people are
worrying about CO2 !

THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT AND I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT'S BY A YOUNG PERSON, A STUDENT!
WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM.

Dear Australian Laborites, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Gillard, et al:

We have stuck together since the late 1950's for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.

Our two ideological sides of Australia cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way

Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the ACTU, the Fabian Society and every member of Emily?s List. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops and the military. We'll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel. You can keep the ABC left wingers (particularly Kerry O'Brien) and Bob Brown. You are, however, responsible for finding an electric vehicle big enough to move all of them.

We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Woolworths and the Stock Exchange. You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, dole bludgers, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and boat people. We'll keep the budgie smuggling, bike riding, volunteer firemen and lifesavers, greedy CEOs and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and the churches and give you SBS and the Greens.
tbc.