@Hasbeen: Once used the wind is stopped it's energy is gone, & some research is suggesting the stopping of the wind might have very serious consequences.

The research being a single theoretical result from one physicist. It was recent, but I can't find a link. Anyway he compared the total energy entering the atmosphere to world energy usage. I can't remember the exact result, but he claimed they were comparable. Right now we are nowhere near that limit, and its not looking like we will get close to it any time soon. Even assuming he is right the wind doesn't stop. It just slows down until the energy extracted matches the input from the Sun.

@Hasbeen: I threw out, a quite large investment in wind & solar generating equipment, about half way from the Solomons to Fiji, when they had combined, failed to to produce enough power to run the 3 small, low wattage bulbs that lit my navigation lights, for the last time.

Good lord, how could you get it that badly wrong? What happened? Did you use badly undersized batteries? You must realise this is a poor example. People use solar for this sort of stuff all the time. Its well understood and common place. There are literally solar panels everywhere you look now, driving all sorts of SCADA applications. Lexi can go out and buy solar garden lights that last for years, there is boat circumnavigating the world driven entirely solar right now, and recently a solar driven airplane made flew over several countries in Europe.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/energy-smart/brisbanes-big-ahoy-to-a-solar-seafarer-20110529-1faa2.html
http://solar-flight.com/europetour/

Whoa! miracles don't happen, that's fairy-tales. Development of technology takes decades and we may not see it in our lifetime but with time it will happen. It is possible that technology is already available but good business dictates that the old junk must be sold first.

In my profession I have to work with computers, but I hate the things so I instruct other people and watch over them by they do the physical labour of operating the computers. I did discuss my dislike of computers with an expert on computers and I explained my dislike of working with computers by saying, "If I could talk to the computer and it would respond to my verbal instructions I could achieve a lot more." His response was that those computers are available in Japan but they have to sell and dispose of all the other technology that has been produced. That is why the computer technology we buy seems to advance at a very fast rate.

With energy producing technology we simply have to wait.

its interesting...what you have added re inertia
add in friction..!

forrests ..give more friction than grass
grass takes more inertia..than bare ground
wet air trvels slower..dry air faster...[so many vairiables]

but lets see what the words reveal
less wind movenent..means air in certain places will get hotter
[the very thing winmd turbiones are trying to do..is actually making things worse]

if you doudt what im trying to say
sit out of the wind..say in your car]
no air movement...you will die on a sunny day in hours

[if you got a measuring device in your car..
you will be adding corrupted numbers to the data]

yes it was a hot day
but made worse cause there wernt no wind

and then finally the hot or cold NON MOVING AIR..moves
begins to move..

faster than it needed to..
if we hadnt stopped the natural ebb and flow of the wind

[the same would apply
to movement of water[hydro/tides]

you cant cheat nature..!
and increasing its cost..but giving others extra
thats just nutts..*

i got a friend..who has 1000 in solar credit
[apparently they dont give them cash]
well he is thinking..
to get heating in his pool...lol
cause he dont get ANY..*cash back
so might as well use his credit..lol

how much in our/credits
mean..you own them..!

cause they owe us more..
than they invested..or their assets are valued at?

if collectivly..we hold billions of credit
who do we go to..to collect it?

the sceme[fair sceme]
i put to krudd...was to issue us a new form of credit card
JUST FOR CARBON CREDITS...say 1000 worth of carbon credit

simply when asked to pay..carbon credit
the card does what cards do...and the credit goes through its function's

if you abuse your carbon credit
then you must pay..!

ie buy some on the market
buy someone elses credits

so its REALLY ONLY the poluters[abusers]..who must pay
the more you ab-use..the more you may be required to buy*

KIS principle
keep it simpler

direct action
not a big new tax

WHO OWNS [holds/creates]..these credits?
will bankers make them...or govt?

how much govt going to sell them for wholesale
better to simply give us each our fair share..!

then let others who want to buy
find sellers who want to sell

by this method
EVERYONE on earth gets credits
and..the poor can trade their credit..for food

its the right thing
but being done..THE WRONG WAY..!

Lexi,

Wind power is a mature technology, and turbines have been the focus of study for many decades. While you can expect technological advances, to improve capacity and efficiency marginally, and the cost of production to drop, the same technical limitations that existed in 1980 exist today.

There is not a snowball's chance in hell of Germany managing to meet its emission targets if it shuts down its nuclear reactors.

Lexi,

With regards to the nuclear fall out, the major component of this fall out is Iodine (96%), which has a half life of about 8 days. After 80 days about 99.9% of this isotope has gone. The other main components are Caesium-134 (which has a half life of two years) and Caesium-137 (which has a half life of 30 years),

The end result is that the dangerous contamination while never disappearing drops by about 99% in 30 years.

SM,

I can see why you're not concerned about nuclear - you probably won't be around in thirty years. In the meantime children and animals are being born with all kinds of deformities but you're not concerned - it's not in your back yard - as it is in Russia's, Japan's, et al. I wonder why these countries are concerned - and have shut down or are in the process of shutting down their reactors? Perhaps they know something? Go to Chernobyl and talk to the people there. See the after effects on the local population for yourself. Then tell us about the safety of nuclear.