Dear lexi.

I feel the problems a little more completed than just a numbers game. Sure I see the comparisons with your population figures along with Indy's rabbit forecast, but the real worry I see is these poor people are going to come out of these detention centers with all degree's of mental health issues backed with deep hatred scorched into their minds on how they were treated. Its like when a prisoner is released from jail for the first time, I mean these people are damaged goods and mental-illness is already a problem here. Well I think its not the best time or the best investment.

"And this sentiment is strongest among people who feel most threatened by any economic progress and competition for scarce resources (jobs, etc) of the minorities"

I look at future growth forecasts of populations for the coming decades, and since Australia's infrastructure is less than adequate for our masses now, its not the best time, that's all I'll say for now.

"AS HER government prepared to deliver its first budget on May 10th Julia Gillard, Australia’s prime minister, launched her latest plan to stop asylum-seekers reaching the country by boat."

"Three days earlier, Ms Gillard announced Australia had struck a deal with Malaysia to swap refugees. After the arrangement comes into force, the next 800 boat people to land on Australia’s shores will be sent to join the thousands of asylum-seekers who are already waiting to have their claims processed in Malaysia.

"In return, Australia will admit 4,000 of the group stuck in Malaysia who have already been assessed as refugees, taking them in over a period of four years.

Empathy must be moved aside here, our own children should take first priority before the generosity card is played.

I back the Gillard Government on the new plan for processing, but I don't like any of this, however Iam not in the Hot Seat.

LE

I started this thread to show that what is often presented as evidenced of genuineness can be manufactured.

It has been my observation that many who claim to be refugees are in fact economic migrants.
And some, even worse, are:
1) According to this ABC report --- war criminals
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/stories/2009/2715237.htm
2) Or, according to this article – Jihadi’s
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/somalia-jihad-drive-probed/story-e6frg6of-1111115033793

Our processes seem incapable of making accurate determinations

But there are people who don’t want to hear this. And those same persons when presented with such unpleasant truths , are liable to accuse one of “fear mongering” –or worse.

They are also wont to quote from sites like NEW MATILDA as if they were quoting pearls of wisdom from a sacred book .

It seems that even my link to the customs /airport incident was misread : “The gentleman in question was …found not to be a genuine refugee”

If we are passing asylum seekers on the basis of the Refugee Convention it needs to be because they satisfy ALL its criteria –not because they are good actors. or story tellers.

And, the, “they are only small in number” line is a furphy –the real issues are:
1) Are the asylum claimants we pass genuine – many are not .
2) Are the persons passed compatible with our values/mores –at least some are not .
3) Can we control our borders – if we cannot we will become like parts of Europe which cannot stop and cannot return illegal’s -- -or Mexico City, drowning in its own overcrowded squalor , and worse since we’ll have no USA to offload our excess numbers onto.

Dear SPQR,

How many I wonder, of previous arrivals to this country in the past could be classified as crims, refugees, or economic seekers - who today make up our very diverse society?

Australia's early white settlers, unlike their American counterparts who left England to the promise of a richer and freer existence, were dragged kicking and screaming from the dungeons of Newgate and the hulks of Bristol to the living death of an isolated and barren land. Their language bore the marks of shackles and carried the inflections of the destitute and the whine of the shanty Irish.

You're probably of the generation that as a kid was taught that this country's survival depended on putting a wall between us and "the hordes to the North." You probably took for granted then, that everyone up there wanted to come down here. You're probably of the generations who can see boat people as the advance of unimaginable numbers - let even a few arrive and, God knows, Australians could end up looking like the people on Christmas Island.

Until we are willing to face our fears - we'll continue to deal with them in a way that is essentially an expensive national farce out of which our leaders continue to make political hay

between us and "the hordes to the North."
Lexi,
Couldn't you try a little harder to come up with more stupid argument ? Why use such stupid phrases ? Why can't you just be a little more realistic & say our fear of becoming so overpopulated that Australia will not be able to cope in any which way. Why the bloody hell do you have to drag a racial aspect into this ? It doesn't matter where people come from. Overpopulation is overpopulation no matter what. Do you want to live in a 2 room house with 20 others ? If so, why not go to these countries & try it for ten years ?

Dear Individual,

My post was in response to SPQR's post.
Kindly re-read it.
You've obviously misunderstood a few things.

As for overpopulation - that is another issue alltogether.
I'll respond to it at a later time in more detail.
Now, I've got to run - I'm late.

Dear lexi

You can ignore me if you like, but that was pretty lame comeback. I read the Scottish tone there and hey! Scotland's Scotland because of it:)

I know you dont need a history lesson:) ( Invaders )

However Indy is quite correct and if you want to play the race card go ahead, cause no-one will buy it. Over-population is a serious problem right around the world and Australians Dont want it here. Yes go to Mexico for a while or Bangladesh perhaps or maybe parts of Africa may tickle your love for over crowded places.......yes I can see why you've got to run:)

Then second problem.

Humans need space to grow.

In time people numbers around the world will reflect on the word Iam typing now. Future people will look back and read my words, then they will read yours......What do you think they will say?

And dont be ignorant, like some people are.


http://www.google.com.au/search?q=overpopulation&hl=en&rlz=1C1LAVG_enAU414AU414&prmd=ivnsb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=1JL1TYDUFIPEvgPC1bDDBg&ved=0CEIQsAQ

Yes Lexi, take a good look. This is coming here.

LEA