The threads author having started a thread rarely if ever revisits it.
It is my view we walk on glass here.
I may be wrong but have formed the opinion we are expected to get all heated and I will not do so.
It may well be unknown others will hope we contribute unkind things that can be sold as anti Muslim .
I hand high in the air, say clearly I think not all Muslims are a problem.
And that, in time Muslims them selves will be the answer to growing concerns.
Indeed the mass murder in Pakistan ,of Muslims, by a poor 12 year old Muslim child, helps me believe in time true followers of Islam will put an end to this.
Sadly it is human nature to defend our selves but remember, we are being judged by our responses.
By less than 2% of this country's population.
And by only some of them.
I invite my fellow posters to spend a few seconds, not condemning that poor child, but understanding the gutless act it was by those who sent him to kill and die, be grateful it is the few who do such things.

It seems that Iftikhar has been very busy:

--http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?71961-Dispatches-Channel-4-Muslim-Schooling
--http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=1046118
--http://www.usmessageboard.com/general-discussion/166797-dispatches-channel-4-muslim-schooling.html
--http://www.pashtunforums.com/world-news-16/dispatches-channel-4-muslim-schooling-16925/
--http://chat.thisislondon.co.uk/london/threadnonInd.jsp?forum=18&thread=329868&message=1799924

And the above is only a selection (it has all the qualities of a viral email!)

Mercifully, he has given OLO only a shorten version of his diatribe.
Though the full version is worth reading as it is very “insight full” into ftikhar's character.


And this would appear to be a review of the program he has taken exception to:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/articles/lessons-in-hate-and-violence-feature

(apparently we cant view it from our location -- http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/video/series-80/episode-1/lessons-in-hate-and-violence)

I can see why Iftikhar might not like it:
--“You're not like the non-Muslims out there,' the teacher says, gesturing towards the window. 'All that evil you see in the streets, people not wearing the hijab properly, people smoking... you should hate it, you should hate walking down that street.”
---“ We found children as young as 11 learning that Hindus have 'no intellect'. We came across pupils being told that the 'disbelievers' are 'the worst creatures' and that Muslims who adopt supposedly non-Muslim ways, such as shaving, dancing, listening to music, and – in the case of women – removing their headscarves, would be tortured with a forked iron rod in the after-life” .

But is Iftikhar taking exception to it because it is bad PR, or is he taking exception to it because it is at odds with genuine Islamic teachings/tradition--You be the judge:

--“Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)
--"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
--Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

SPQR thank you well researched and presented.
I again highlight this important fact.
We all must try to while saying what we think, not being offensive.
The bait is cast and we should be aware of it.
But please, understand those within this religion, not the religion its self, who think this way are your enemy's.
A war is being fought, and it will become an open one, do not look to any God to stop one.
Rather to a day that humanity is not divided by any follower of any God.
Again I ask, can humanity claim, all of us, our God is the only one,without understanding humanity then must be one too.

Dear SPQR,

It's impossible to boil any religion down to selective quotes.
It would be like saying "Christianity is purely a religion of peace." This is as great a fallacy as to say, "Christianity is founded on hatred."
The Bible encompasses both cloud and fire - both turning the other cheek and the arm of the Lord that smiteth.

The same applies to any Holy Book. Unless you have real experience and knowledge, what can you say that won't sound foolish, or worse bigoted to someone who knows and appreciates more than you do?

Lexi ,
I merely present the evidence – others can draw their own conclusions.I suggest you read his full text.

Iftikhar’s cries foul because the programme had (supposedly)made generalizations about the Muslim community -- then comes out with this:
--- Why no protests about Jewish schools. They preach the same racial intolerance.
----British schooling is the home of institutional racism and British teachers are chicken racist.
---- British schooling has been in the process of producing racist young generations, who not only hate each other but also hate those who are different in colour and creed. Due to racism in British schooling, young Muslim children are unable to develop self-esteem and self-confidence.
---The percentage of churches and state schools who sexually abuse children and scar them for life are countless.
--Indiscipline, bullying, incivility, binge drinking, drug addiction, gun and knife crimes, teenage pregnancies and abortion are part and parcel of British schooling. Majority of schools encourage young children to have sex and abortions.

Iftikhar cleverly plays with the language of liberalism and multiculturalism:
---Your program only creates hate and division within the community when you generalize from two incidents. What a wasted money & years of your team work. Such dangerous dispatches should be banned to protect our community.

Then he comes out with this :
---Non-Muslim teachers are not role models for the Muslim children during their developmental periods.
--There are sinister agendas at work in Western nations and I wonder if they are using Islam to foment trouble?
---(the) Muslim community sees the West as decadent and immoral. They will see West as morally bankrupt animals, needing to be trained.

And then, there’s these little gems:
--- Islam is the fastest growing faith in the whole wide world. Whys that I wonder? Maybe because it’s the truth and people what to know the truth.
--- Islam is the only system that welcomes people of all colour, creed, class, status, race and background Peace.

Iftikhar wont be happy till we all enroll in his "animal" training programme--which will teach us how to pray and behave the Sharia way.

Peter Hume
You are becoming quite obsessive in your stalking behaviours.

What are you talking about? I have never said I am in favour of physically abusing people. I chose not to further our conversation on the prostitute thread because you were intentionally misconstruing my words and avoiding discussing your double standards as regards punishment for men and women. I have chose not to return to that topic as is my right. If you don't understand my meaning I am either expressing myself badly or you are choosing to pick an argument.

Imprisonment is sometimes necessary in any society. Do you advocate murderers and child molesters be kept out in the community and on the loose to commit further crimes on people.

Your comments have nothing to do with this thread. By all means behave like a spoilt child but I am not going to be party to your spiteful and disingenuous manipulative games any longer.