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Shareholders, dysfunctional families and seven day jobs. Is there a link.
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Both "Professional" parents totally oblivious...
Posted by weareunique, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 11:33:05 PM
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Belly, there was never any extra turnover to be had by extended hours shopping, Australians were already spending 100% of their income. It was always about redistributing the same number of dollars, not getting more.
I have always thought that the only ones to gain were the big two, who used it to put out of business, much of their competition. There was no profit in it, with all the extra costs in wages at penalty rates. But Belly, your support of it made me think, & I realised that there were other winners. The unions, not the members, but the organisation, picked up quite a bit, in both membership & dues, as the big 2 are unionised, unlike the small business that was displaced. All those casuals became unionists, many under protest. But also the government gained a big boost it tax receipts. Every employee of the big 2 is a PAYE slave, it all goes through official channels, including the tax man. Small business, on the other hand, is more likely to pay a part timer cash in hand. Many owners worked the extra hours themselves, & grabbed a few notes out of the till. There was a lot the tax man found hard to get his chunk out of. Now many of those little people work for one of the big 2, after seeing their turnover dwindle, & closing down. Yes the workers were mad to let it happen, to stuff up their life & leisure, but the unholy alliance of big business, big unions, & big government did real well. Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 28 April 2011 1:13:09 AM
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Hasbeen sit with me and we will look again at your post.
Say 24/7 shops have as you said, just 100 units to sell. That is the markets limit ok. Why then, tell me do businesses open those extra hours. Are they forced to be 24/7. Or is it an understanding 110% is possible by trading when your opposition is not. Now you will not believe it, you have an unchallenged ability to ignore truth, only a handful of such folk are Unionist. Lets look at shift work,some time ago,big industry introduced 12 hour shifts. Unions fought against it,but membership fought against the unions ,they wanted it. Petrol refinery's steel making smelting even council street cleaners and rubbish removal are based on working 24'7. Unions do notlike it, health alone says it is wrong. But INDUSTRY MUST HAVE IT WAU yes you see much like that but give me an alternative. How do mums and dads pay the bills the house loan if one stays home? Is housing only for the rich. And your old job police officer just must be 24/7 too. Base Hasbeen you opinions on unionism killing this country, you will be wrong, make claims workers are paid too much but consider honestly the subject. In my last two jobs I worked some times 17 hour days,no extra pay,my commitment to the union and before the RTA was for one purpose, one shared by many, to get the job done once and right. Posted by Belly, Thursday, 28 April 2011 6:01:18 AM
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"Do we still commonly have latchkey kids Pelican? It’s something I haven’t thought about in a long time."
Jewely I don't think about it too much now that my kids are older but yes it is common where I live. Many opt for latch-key instead of after-school care due to the cost, but decisions to leave kids alone may not only be related to cost. http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/fm/fm49ddv.pdf Posted by pelican, Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:08:31 PM
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Hey Pelican, Self/sibling Care sounds much nicer than latchkey. It doesn’t seem too extreme looking at numbers but I guess it only takes a moment for it all to go horribly wrong.
Support in the community seems important for the solo mums but income, or what race you are didn’t have much of an impact except the note saying higher income families were slightly more inclined to do it. WAU:”An odd weekend and/or four weeks annual leave do not 'make up' for all of those years/time lost while kids are growing up, never to be repeated.” Two working parent families are the ones kinda shaping up to be the ones that do have dysfunctional families so when does dysfunctional go from not being great at interacting with each other to a problem for everyone else – or do these kids and parents eventually sort themselves out over time? I have no idea how industries chugging along 7 days a week relates. Posted by Jewely, Thursday, 28 April 2011 5:35:25 PM
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Minus Intervention Jewely, some of the impacts upon society in general are an increase in arson (at a young age)to vehicles, homes schools and buildings damaged, a high rise in assaults, brazen home thefts and burglaries (with or without the occupants present), kids arriving at schools they do not attend, to assault staff and children during teaching hours, an evident lack of or loss of support, morals values and ethics present in quite a few teenagers that does impact directly upon their communities at large.
One instance, a group of teenagers of say 16yrs drinking on the streets in a suburb decide to burn out a few vehicles for fun, one parked out the front of a home, the other broken down. A neighbour catches one of the arsonists while the remaining group (his mates) flee the area and allow their 'mate' to take the rap. Q: If morals,values and consequences were instilled in these kids by some of their 'professional 12 hour working day parents" during their upbringing, would it not be fair to say, that if parents had spent a little more time around their kids, and supervise their teenage kids keeping them busier, that there may, just may be a reduction in arson, burglaries and theft in all its forms Posted by weareunique, Friday, 29 April 2011 1:08:47 AM
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