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Stamp-duty STRIKE !

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BOYCOTT STAMP DUTY ON PROPERTY PURCHASES

Stamp duty is REGRESSIVE. For first home buyers, it's an up-front tax on top of an already exorbitant price, forcing buyers to borrow more and pay more interest. For both buyers and renters, it impedes all the property transfers needed to bring new housing to market, reducing supply and forcing up prices and rents. It discriminates against working people who need to move frequently due to unstable employment: the more often they sell and re-buy, the more tax they pay. But it favours rich investors who can afford to hold property for long periods: they pay no duty as long as they simply retain their portfolios.

Stamp duty is INEFFICIENT. It impedes the transactions that bring property into the hands of those who can use it best, and impedes the movement of people to places where they can be most gainfully employed.

Fortunately, stamp duty is also largely VOLUNTARY...

More: http://is.gd/psd_strike .
Posted by grputland, Thursday, 31 March 2011 6:26:39 PM
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While I agree that stamp duty is a crippling tax, the reality is that it is a necessary evil, required to top up the public purse.

Now as long as we continue to allow all those hand outs to continue, along with absurd amounts of waste and mismanagement from governments, the reality is taxes like stamp duty are here to stay.

In fact, I suggest we brace ourselves, as taxes simply have to increase because governments seem disinterested in attacking the real issues that are a drain on the public purse.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 1 April 2011 6:48:39 AM
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Or you could buy a house worth less than 500,000 dollars. No stamp duty there.
Posted by Houellebecq, Friday, 1 April 2011 9:17:11 AM
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Good luck with that!

Try transferring the property without paying it.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 1 April 2011 9:54:59 AM
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Well, SM, in the topic it says,

'For *first home buyers*'

It only applies to houses worth more than half a million. Discounts continue until 600,000. Very generous.

You're going to pay either way. If there was no stamp duty, there would be even more speed cameras, or developers would be lumped with the all the costs of making new houses that need sewage/water/stormwater/Electricity/transport infrastructure, and all new homes in the boondocks would cost 1 Million when developers pass it on.
Posted by Houellebecq, Friday, 1 April 2011 10:34:18 AM
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Shadow Minister: Had you actually clicked on the link, you would have seen that I'm actually suggesting NOT transferring the property.
Posted by grputland, Friday, 1 April 2011 10:34:43 AM
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In my opinion Stamp Duty has helped hedged us against the housing bubble created by our negative gearing and captital gains tax regimes. When investors strongly outweight first home buyers in the market making it easy to turn over ownership of residential housing would be disastrous.

There are many real-estate websites in the US spruiking the fact they have lower turnover taxes than Europe but look at the result.

We shouldn't be playing with Stamp Duty without modifying CGT and negative gearing.
Posted by csteele, Friday, 1 April 2011 2:14:01 PM
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grputland,

Smart move! it is like not paying GST by not buying anything.

The builders won't get paid until transfer takes place.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 1 April 2011 2:26:20 PM
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So for those who hate negative gearing, why do you hate it so much and do you really think we can afford to take it away.

NG allows for the property investor to write off the repairs and maintinance and fees on their propery and the interest on their loan loan. That's it!

So, take a $400K loan at say 8%, that's $32,000, add say $1500 fees and maint, that's a loss of $33,500.

Deduct the income of say $24,000 the write of is $9,500 wich become a tax deduction.

Now, take away this tax deduction, which means the investor has to pay this short fall with after tax dollars and whamo, you have no investors and no rentals.

Now assuming this was to happen and it did relieve presure on home values, it would also remove the need for a first home buyers grant, so who then could afford to buy a house.

Not many more as they would no longer have the deposit from the grant.

It's not rocket science, many people can't afford homes because they spend their money elsewhere.
Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 2 April 2011 7:14:44 AM
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I'm not sure if I agree with the creative accounting around negative gearing. It should not be allowed to offset tax paid for other income. It should only go against loan interest and capital gains for a specific property.

At the moment we encourage investing at a loss as a way of avoiding PAYE income tax don't we? If so, IT's A SCAM.
Posted by Houellebecq, Monday, 4 April 2011 9:38:58 AM
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To claim negative gearing on a future investment, you should have to build a new dwelling, thus adding to the supply of rental housing. And the grandfathering of past investments should apply only if you have a tenant in place. Merely claiming that the property is available for rent should not be sufficient, because it lets you demand too much rent and/or discriminate against particular classes of tenants.

Investors who buy existing dwellings keep them out of the hands of first-time buyers and therefore keep those prospective buyers in the rental market to push up rents.

Under appropriate rules, negative gearing COULD be an incentive to supply rental housing. Under present rules, it is simply a tax break for the rich at the expense of the poor.
Posted by grputland, Monday, 4 April 2011 11:00:29 AM
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