What is worse than earthquake and a tsunami ?.

A Nuclear power plant meltdown.

Which may still be possible in Japan, subsequent to this catastrophic event.

Fuel rods were exposed to the air according to the official response from Japanese Gov't and Industry sources. This power plant, built in 1970, most probably doesn't comply with todays building regulations in Japan. Schools out on information regarding the upgrades over time this nuclear facility has received, but regardless my question is;

"whats worse, than an earthquake?.

Answer: a nuclear meltdown resulting in pollution that cannot be cleaned away like the mud and debris of a tsunami.

There has been an explosion at Fukushima No 1 nuclear power plant. There are reports that the roof has blown off.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/12/3162450.htm

Ten THOUSAND people have been ordered to leave area within 10k's of plant that exploded. Smoke and explosions in a nuclear plant is nothing BUT bad.

That sets back the "safe nuclear energy" debate back by the bucket load. No thanks, from me.

Why on earth would we want to use nuclear in Oz?

With everything we now about the non existence of CO2 induced global warming, why would we want to use anything but coal?

WHATS worse?
a dictator
using 50,000 isreaLIE RECRUTED
AFRICAN MERCENARIES ..TO MURDER HIS 'OWN' PEOPLE

the silence is deafening
he says he isnt any official capacity
that would require him to resign...thats funny..he was in the army
still runs an army..has gone rogue..yet other armies stand there useless

funny that

by the by
japan knew it was going to have a big one
thats nature

san francisco KNOWS the big one is comming
you cant stop nature [or fools]

but we can chose to takeout a dictator
but not if your under orders ..from an ubber sepperatist state
that swears god gave them the land[talk about farries in a garden]

anyhow there are worse things than death
like being ruled by fools who love to fight the next war

[you did ask what is worse]
[than ..fools doing foolish things?
[than ..loosing 1 trillion of infastructure?
than ...bringing on the collapse of globalist cabal industry?
than ..sending insurance underwriters broke?

media following the water
not the flood of arab blood?

It's not that nuclear power plants are dangerous by themselves. What makes them dangerous is their excessive sizes, too big to keep control of. Smaller plants would be a far more viable option for power than any other.
Says I who hasn't a clue about nuclear power but surely it's like all other excesses we have the bigger the facility the bigger the task of control.

What is worse than earthquake and a tsunami

the blood of millions of unborn babies calling out for justice.

The thought that a tribal leader could order his soldiers to commit child-nurder and child-rape, as well as the slaughter of adult civilians, all against long standing local custom.

The thought that such would not be garrotted immediately, but regarded by later generations as a fit legend to base a religion on.

That supposed adults still adhere to such a religion.

That is worse.

Rusty

How many deaths were directly attributable to Chernobyl, with about 300 times the radioactive fallout of the Hiroshima bomb? Fifty-two deaths according to a 2005 WHO report.

About 100,000 people die in Japan each year as a direct result of smoking.

What is worse?

Fester, common sense would follow that those 2005 figures may not include all of the Russian people dying of cancer between 2005 to date, who were exposed to the Chernobyl explosion.

The impact upon those two nuclear plants from the earthquake and the tsunami could have been explosions as opposed to minimal damage. One can never rule out future quakes further weakening the grounds under and surrounding nuclear stations either.

For 30% of power generated, 54 Power Stations were built? Regardless of Japan being low on fuels for electricity, in my view it is definitely not worth the risk when sitting on major faultlines. Something I had realised years ago when news was announced about Japan building nuclear power plants.

I was against the concept back then as I am now.

What governments and private companies will not tell people, is that when leaks or faults are detected within these power plants, people are in all likelihood ingesting the contaminated air during each year.

Similar to pesticides and sprays used by Government weeds and pestilence people, at times the lack of chlorine and appropriate levels of minerals put in our drinking water, high unsafe levels of chemicals allowable in cleaning products right down to bananas that were contaminated, damaged and sold interstate recently that should have been given away with a ticket on them marked "QLD flood damaged fruits"! Sewerage would have flowed into parts of these plantations with the possibility of saturated skins. For three weeks live viruses are able to sit on surfaces, bananas being no exception and currently selling for $9.99 per kilo in some states.

My point is that some areas of Government and some companies in order to make the almighty dollar will feed the population on myths, as we all know, outrightly lie and cover up on issues, including health issues to avoid liability.

Fires and floods are no exception.

weareunique

Common sense would suggest that the point is moot. Note that with smoking, if you stop, the health impacts become statistically insignificant after about twenty years. This is similar for acute radiation doses. Chernobyl death predictions are based on the assumption that any increase in radiation exposure above background levels causes a linear increase in cancer deaths. As yet this assumption is not supported by observation, and given the time since the accident, it seems unlikely that a large effect will suddenly materialise.

You would save many more lives by getting smoking anti-nukes to quit or take up e-cigarettes than with anti-nuclear protesting. One hundred thousand deaths each year in Japan from smoking. The death toll from the earthquake/tsunami could be over a tenth of this; the death toll from a nuclear accident would probably be a small fraction of a percent of the annual smoking toll.

lets hear your proof
re smoking statistics..festering sore

lets quote from govt members debate in parliment
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4307&page=0

""The thing that underlines all this
is that I know that,..of all the deaths of smokers that occur
whether it is a car-accident, a heart-attack..or any other tragedy—
50 per cent.....are* tobacco *related.*""

yes some govt mug actually said that
and this

""we know that there are around*
three million Australians..who still smoke.""

and this

""You do not have to go far
to find warnings..by our public health authorities
that smoking is..*expected*..to kill
one *million Australians*..
over the next decade""

its time to take you nutters to court
MAKE YOU lot..PROVE YOUR INSANE BIAS/lies

but i said it at the other topic
you clown..

so get back to topic
done be trying to flame off topic here..!

At Crippled Japanese Nuclear Plant:
'Last-Ditch Effort' To Prevent Meltdown

On Weekend Edition, Jon told host Linda Wertheimer that the plan to flood the core with seawater and boric acid may be unprecedented and will effectively destroy the power plant.

If the plan fails and the core does meltdown, Jon said the only thing left to do will be to "seal it up with concrete.

You sort of entomb it."

Japan hits panic button:
using sea water to try to cool down reactor!

Japanese officials continued their battle to control dangerous reactor overheating in the nation's worst nuclear accident that followed Friday's earthquake, as they resorted to an unprecedented attempt to cool the reactor with seawater.

Webmaster's Commentary:
Using Seawater will destroy the reactor. Taking this step means they have given up all hope of recovering and repairing the reactor.

Now they are just trying to shut it down by any means necessary.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz1GVnm1me5

Thorium Reactors cannot melt down,
and cannot be used to make bombs!

Webmaster's Commentary:
For the $14 trillion that the Wall Street MBS Fraud cost America, we could have built 130 Thorium reactors, which do not melt down and which do not produce bombs.

Read more: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED
The History The US Government HOPES You Never Learn! http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz1GVqL3etm

Yes and twice as many people die per year from bacterial infection acquired from a hospital visit than do on our roads, but what does that have to do with the subject Fester.

Nuclear power is too dangerous for words. And when something goes wrong, it can go so wrong that nothing can fix it. Unlike natural disasters, disasters caused by the folly of humankind could have been avoided by better judgement in the first place.

This was the point of my post, not to give people a chance to spout their avaristic attempts to portray a nuclear meltdown as manageable.

"What is worse than (an) earthquake and a tsunami?

A Nuclear power plant meltdown."

Agree.

BUT, people have to question the credibilty, veracity or motives of anyone who has (even now) been spruiking a "meltdown" - especially when it is so easy to do some basic fact checking e.g.

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/

Agree bonmot, and I am not claiming that a meltdown has occurred, I'm just pointing out the fact that a meltdown is worse than an earthquake etc.

I'm not comfortable with nuclear power generation and liken it to a 5yr old playing with a box of matches and a penny bunger.

Yes,bonmot - very interesting.

It seems to be saying that as long as the core is cooled and contained that eventually it will be cleaned up and all will well.

All of this does beg a few questions, though.
We know that these reactors are built to superior designs than say, Chernobyl. Apparently there were two backup power sources, but these may have been knocked out by the tsunami.
Japan is notoriously shaky and tsunamis are part of Japanese lore, so it wasn't entirely unexpected that this day would come and that the backup power sources would be rendered useless.

In the end, it is an act of desperation to flood these reactors with seawater...stands to reason that many would feel a tad uncomfortable with the situation.

Yep. Prfecisely why Gen IV reactors are required.

Hasbeen asks
'With everything we now about the non existence of CO2 induced global warming, why would we want to use anything but coal?'

Because burning coal is going to cause Queeensland, NSW and Victoria to be in drought according to the 'science'.

I'm not entirely sure you are keeping this in perspective, thinker 2.

>>Nuclear power is too dangerous for words<<

No question, there are deep-seated emotional reasons to fear nuclear... anything, really.

I would have thought, though, that of all the countries in the world, Japan and its population would have greater historical cause to fear it, and to shun it, than any other.

The fact that they have overcome these fears should tell you a great deal about their rationality, and their concerns about the cost to them of the only alternative, which is to be entirely dependent upon massive imports of carbon-based energy sources.

The fact that they have entertained nuclear power generation, even despite their country sitting on the fault line between the Amur and Okhotsk plates, should be significant, I would have thought. Such decisions would not have been taken lightly, especially in the land of consensus management.

If we were to be entirely idealistic, we would naturally choose that power generation be the result of non-polluting, totally safe processes. But the technology to achieve that has yet to be created. Anywhere.

And along the way, argument-by-hyperbole - "Nuclear power is too dangerous for words" - is not going to make the situation any clearer, or any easier to resolve.

The anti-nuclear lobby will have an unjustified field day over the Japan reactor problems. The Japan problems will probably prove to be like Three Mile Island, a “debacle” with no associated death toll.

What design could survive without some problems from a close-by 8.9 offshore earthquake? It appears that, to ensure cooling water supplies, the reactors were built too near the ocean in an earthquake prone area without adequate cooling back up.

The containment buildings appear to be intact and the structural design appears to have been adequate. Water supplies and stand-by pumping facilities appear to be the problem. Maybe the diesel generators and/or pumps and a tunnel fed emergency supply dam, were not provided with an adequate (surrounding) tsunami proof bund wall?

Distribution of iodine tablets are a sensible precaution as these prevent potential thyroid cancers if there is serious venting of radioactive material.

Thinking in hindsight about suitable sites, any reactor should preferably be downstream of a large freshwater reservoir on a site at least 20m above sea level.

The Chernobyl disaster was a steam explosion which destroyed the reactor core in a cheapskate reactor without a containment building and had a short term death toll of about fifty, mainly among emergency crews. I believe that the death toll and cancer rate to date in the surrounding area is not abnormal.

One estimate I saw was that there were 50,000 extra abortions throughout Europe caused by newspaper stirred concerns.

Why all this discussion without waiting until the nuclear plant is closed permanently because of the destruction of the reactor core by sea water or a melt down until the melt down ends.

Foyle, yes the Russians were warned at a conference in Vienna in 1956
that their design had a design fault which was exactly what happened
at Chernobyl. It was to do with the carbon moderators storing energy
which could be released suddenly in certain circumstances.

Hasbeen asked why not just burn coal in power stations.
Well, like in most of these scenarios there is a catch 22.

Global Peak Coal will occur from around 2020 to 2025. Big price rises
in coal are expected as the coal seams get more expensive to mine and
as well the quality of the coal is deteriorating.
Further pressure on coal prices will be caused by oil depletion and
the resultant switch to coal & electricity from oil.

Ultimately there is no choice but to go nuclear.
There is no way that alternatives can be ramped up to a level that
will spply sufficient electricity 24 hours a day.
One exception of course is geothermal. Unfortunately, err well in one
respect, we don't live on the ring of fire so the cheap geothermal
is not for us.

To sum up we should not be exporting our coal, we should retain it for
electricity generation.
Remember what the Chinese Premier said;
"We will burn all our coal & then we will burn all yours"

I have to state One Under God that you are correct, one of my uncles chain smoked rollies [tobacco in a packet] all of his life, never developed emphysema and died of cirrhosis of the liver due to beer/alcohol consumption caused by stresses fighting in WWII for a five year period when young.

The chemicals in cigarettes and tobacco differ greatly - from cigarette to cigarette, tobacco to tobacco.

General stats Fester? Unless an autopsy was conducted on each of those 100,000 Japanese people annually Fester, no one can prove that 100,000 Japanese people die as a direct result of 'smoking'despite health statistics.

There are many other factors known to cause cancers.

Over population with thousands of congested vehicles polluting the atmosphere should be taken into consideration, likewise, Emphysema and other cancers caused by many environmental factors, some of which are asbestos, viruses (airborne) weakening lungs, many years prior to developing cancer, suffering from weak lungs genetically, fires in homes whereby as a child significant smoke inhalation has occurred, wood smoke inhaled as a child or adult, the list goes on.

I wonder how many wood fire places are used over in Japan during their long winter months.

Probably not many wood fires burning I just realised, as the Japanese are low on resources given a high population and limited farming land.

There are lessons for all of us as these devastations unfold one of them being 'use a variety of alternative power fuels other than nuclear".

I think it is fair to say Pericles, that the projected outcomes of both sides of the nuclear debate regarding the actual outcomes of accidents is biased,
in effect just words, but playing with forces beyond our control is akin to letting the genie out of the bottle to a certain degree.
Once you have done it, you cant go back.

And the consequences go beyond that of things beyond our control such as natural disasters.
The question for me is, "can we leave it"?, (nuclear power), and if we can, then why don't we ?.
We are having major problems getting rid of other waste without adding nuclear waste to the mix of pollutants threatening our existence. And even if we do use nuclear power, it is a short term solution that when no longer possible, will leave a pile of toxic waste for a future generations to deal with.

Thinker,
You need to catch up with the science. Carbon in fossil fuels is an essential raw material for the production of plastics, metals and fertilisers for as long as the human race wants to live at a reasonable living standard. We need to make the carbon sources last, not burn them for their thermal value, a sensible approach that has been obvious to many for generations.

Thorium fuelled reactors could supply all the world's power need for thousands of years. Compared to uranium fuelled reactors they are inherently safer, produce relatively miniscule amounts of waste and are not a source of weapons grade materials. For that later reason thorium reactors were not popular nor further developed during the cold war.

Solar and wind are at best supplementary contributors to any sensible energy plan as the Christmas period cold snap in the UK showed. During that cold snap wind farms in total generated less than one percent of their nameplate capacity so were useless.

Oops! - there goes the outer shell of reactor No 3...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/14/3163383.htm

Human beings rarely learn from history or take lessons from the now.

You will still see people pushing a nuclear agenda despite the experience of Russia, Three Mile Island and now Japan. The risks are not worth any of the purported benefits of nuclear and the risk of natural and man made disasters should not be minimised or ignored in the nuclear debate.

This is what the anti-nuclear debate is all about. It is illogical to even contemplate going down this path. Even ANSTO has recently come under scrutiny due to negative reports about safety and security within the Lucas Heights facility.

One is tempted to do a Homer Simpson and say DUH.....(no brainer).

Yes I too hate the idea of nuclear power.
Having taken care of aged soldiers that were involved in the clean-up of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the Atomic bombs were dropped in the 2nd world war, believe me, you don't want to be anywhere near too much radiation!

I can't believe that the Japanese, of all people, would agree to build large nuclear power stations in such an earthquake prone country.
Just wait and see the medical results in years to come in those poor people who were unlucky enough to be near the power station that blew up the other day in Japan.

Dear Thinker 2,

I totally agree with you. A nuclear meltdown would be worse than an earthquake and a tsunami. With an earthquake and a tsunami - there's still hope of survival. With a nuclear meltdown - our worst illusion is that we might return to the state of primitive man. But he did not have polluted soil, poisoned streams, irradiated game and vegetable foods. I feel so sorry for the people of Japan. They had taken every precaution - so it seemed. But as a reporter said - This could be Japan's biggest crisis since WWII. Another earthquake has been predicted within the next couple of days - and another reactor has blown its outer covering. Let's hope that they will get things under control (somehow) and soon. The problem with nuclear reactors seems to be that any major catastrope, whether it be an earthquake, a tsunami, a fire, or leakage, or even terrorist attacks, all can cause a disaster. All technology, ages and wears out with time and no matter how carefully nuclear plants are monitored accidents have happened and will continue to happen. Should Australia take the risk when it doesn't have to and has alternative energy sources? That's something that we need to seriously think about.

There's a poem called "One Wooly Wombat," that teaches children to count, and presents a nursery rhyme about cute Australian animals:

"One woolly wombat sunning by the sea
Two cuddly koalas sipping gumnut tea..." And so on.

Philip Neilsen took this firm favourite of children's rhymes and using the same rhythm and language, presented us with a slightly different version. He called it, "Bush Lullaby," But the sleep will not be sweet:

"One cackling kookaburra swept from the trees
Two uneasy emus brought to their knees
Three bustling bandicoots burnt underground
Five writhing ringtails sliced into meat
Six crisp koalas toasted by the heat
Seven tangled taipans dissected on the grass
Eight playful platypuses melted smooth as glass
Nine crippled kangaroos, mutant crow and currawong
Ten million jolly swagmen floating in the billabong."

Lexi:

"One cackling kookaburra swept from the trees”

...What prompts a cackling kookaburra at 2.00am, I asked myself this morning, awoken by the sound outside my bedroom window. And what is No4, its omitted. Is it a secret?

Thanks..

Lexi:

...I suddenly realised the answer to part one, (the 2.00am awakening by Kookaburra). I think the bird was best friends with the rabbit, killed and eaten by my dog for her dinner last night. I seriously wonder about such things !

Dear Dan,

Who knows what prompts animals to behave the way they do. However, in the case of a nuclear fall-out the answer is obvious. Talking about cackling kookaburra's though, I still remember the wedding of a friend's son, set in the beautiful Dandenong Ranges - when - during the crucial part of the outdoor ceremony - the shrill kookaburra's laugh that echoed overhead as the couple said their "I do's." Someone whispered at the time - "Let's hope this isn't some kind of omen..."
Fingers crossed!

two oclock [2.00]..indicates you are on your way to
an ending ..and a completion

Kookaburra is the energy of conquering fears
and in turn,ending old patterns that aren’t nourishing.

Kookaburra’s shadow energy is very confrontational, and can teach harsh and abrasive lessons. Kookaburra teaches us the value of family. We cannot take our children, or our parents for granted, even if they do not seem to ‘nourish’ us on the surface.

Family should be respected no matter what, no matter what arguments take place, no matter how you have been deceived, no matter how you have deceived others.

Kookaburra forces you to confront issues relating to ‘family,’ either by constantly bringing family drama to the surface,or by highlighting how lonely you feel without a strong sense of what it is to have a family.

...Often kookaburra energy suggests that family connections are important in our lives at this time, either because of rivalry (particularly amongst siblings) or because we are looking at our role within the family unit.

The kookaburra encourages us to use laughter as a form of healing. Laughter can be a positive force for the body, even when we force it and we don’t really ‘feel’ it.

Laughter between people is a way that reinforces bonding and helps us to enjoy life even when things are very tough.

Look at how much you laugh every day,

http://www.janesoceania.com/australia_aboriginal_dreamtime/index1.htm

bonmot,

Reactor No 2 at Fukushima has just exploded - this after the fuel rods were twice exposed due to air pressure problems preventing the pumping of water into the reactor. Radiation levels around the plant have risen alarmingly.

Perhaps the worst scenario at the moment as "containment" may have been breached.

i am reminded that..some say life is a dream
seems some are having a 'bad dream'..at this time

but its interesting you woke from a dream
to hear the mess-anger laugh

as this huge release of energy is apparently becoming a reality
we ned reminding we too..are spirit energy..*being..[beings]

Inner and outer earth nature kingdoms
are reuniting at this time

to understand,..forgive
and ascend...into love.

For some time now outer earth nature had been separated off from the inner earth and had fallen into desperation and hopelessness as we could not perceive an avenue of ascension..out of the possibility of extinction.

We had all but given up
when a sudden shift occurred
in which outer earth began to embrace us..with her love.

[im reminded that few can look at god and live]

The love flowed for a week and then each kingdom of the inner earth related to those associated with outer earth knitted together into a common energy flow.

This is allowing inner earth nature to support outer earth nature kingdoms and the ascension of the physical[of which we are a part][and the part of the all we ourselves play in it..

Over time and as all kingdoms learn to interplay as common energy flow in all regions of domain, there will be no further separation between inner and outer earth...[spirit and material]


It is the fully conscious species of human..and the whole
primarily..

that are the most convoluted in relation to the dreams that each individually sustains.

Inner Dreaming takes precedence over externalized dreams
and so this is how kookaburra can redirect the outer earth
to foster ascension ahead ..instead of extinction.

[by hastening that to come]


Inner Dreaming requires envisioning bigger than one thought possible.

[when all were so comfortable getting rich]

ascending humans are learning to in-tend and at-tend..
led by our dreams..

and also intend to receive larger..
visioning in togetherness..than you thought possible

It is the intention to dream..and receive bigger visionings
that has led to the possibility..of a way beyond Dream..

at this time
In order to sustain a Dream
one must envision larger..than one thought possible.

[when we lived..the greed of me me
not thee thee..

[meet need
not greed
nor creed]

Envisioning larger than you thought possible
requires a visionary center in the field of spirit..
and upon earth..to sustain larger visions.

Vision is an act of creation; first the creator perceives what they desire to make manifest and then gathers all the parts to accomplish the task;

and then launches the intentions to cause the dreams into existence ..from which the creation is made manifest.

Without the act of vision
there can be no creation;

and so vision is a much forgotten attribute of dream weaving
possability [even probability]..into reality

sudden change may be one's hearts desire
as internal dreaming occurs from within the heart region;
and if dreams are projected..from this part of self,..then they are filled with love [grace mercy good etc]

and the most loving experience
shall unfold for self and others.

Love is required to sustain one's health.

Those giving too much are simply moving towards a dream of disease
as a result of the lack of love fostered in such an envisioned dance.

Learning to balance giving
as well as receiving it is necessary
to a more fuller ascension into health.

anyhow it seems we need to break an egg
to make an omlet..

[for the new to come..
first the old must be disovled]

and greed so loves being greedy
without the greedy..there could be no needy

for want of a nail
the battle was lost

[what shall be lost
just to save the greedy..a small cost]

Hi Poirot. From my understanding, the "reactor" has not "exploded" (a reasonable but poor choice of words, imo). Also, I think you will find the "radiation" that the MSM are reporting is not of the type which is released during a nuclear chain reaction (which is much more dire), but more of the type explained at Barry Brook's website (see previous link).

Don't get me wrong, this is a most tragic event and will put nuclear power on the back-burner (pun intended) for years to come. However, new generation reactors really are required, to replace the old ones still in place (there are still 100's arround the world). Unfortunately, profligate growth and consumerism is placing enormous strains on our energy resources, placing huge stresses on international/national security, food, water and agricultural resources, transportation, and of course the environment. This is not sustainable in a future world ... despite the shill to the contrary.

If I had my way (I obviously don't) - an international moratorium should be put in place on building 'old style' nuclear reactors, pump research and development into new Gen IV - as well as imposing a moratorium on building 'old style' coal fired power stations, with similar concomitant restrictions.

Will it happen? I hope so, if events of late are to give honour to those that have lost their lives and more importantly, to those that have been left behind to endure and start all over again.

My guess? Nope, there are too many "voters" with their thumbs in their ears and their fingers in their eyes chanting a mantra of misinformation and sometimes, deliberate disinformation ... whipped up by frenzied MSM shock-jocks relying on a 24/7 soundbites to stay ahead of the pack. Sorry, that's how I feel.

Puzzling, isn't it suzeonline.

>>Having taken care of aged soldiers that were involved in the clean-up of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the Atomic bombs were dropped in the 2nd world war, believe me, you don't want to be anywhere near too much radiation! I can't believe that the Japanese, of all people, would agree to build large nuclear power stations in such an earthquake prone country.<<

When you consider the difference between building nuclear power stations in an earthquake zone, and building them in the vast, earthquake-and-tsunami-free spaces of Australia, the Japanese must have had some compelling reasons to take the risk.

Especially given their first-hand experience of nuclear fallout.

My own assessment is that they are indeed fully, even painfully, aware of the issues, but it is the only sane energy direction for them to take right now.

It also helps that overall, their record hasn't been too bad with nuclear power, even with the perennially shaky ground, and particularly given the apparent blind incompetence of the contractors actually running the facilities.

What surprises me is that they did not build the power stations on the
west coast where no tsunami would appear.
The junction between plates is east of Japan.
It seems from reports that they survived the earthquake OK but the
tsunami destroyed the auxiliary plant equipment.

bonmot,

Apologies for the poor choice of words - there was an explosion at the site of the No 2 reactor (described as huge by a plant spokesman) - and a fire (explosion?) also at the site of the No 4 reactor.

I suppose I'm curious at what would happen if the containment materials were breached - not that there is any concrete evidence that this has occurred.

The Japanese government seems to be doing two things at once - assuming the worst and yet playing things down for the media. The power plant spokes-people seem a tad more up front.

Nuclear powered energy was always going to be a calculated risk for a country like Japan. Needing to be sited near water and yet in a country that can expect tsunamis - perhaps not at the magnitude of those recently experienced. I think this puts the Japanese situation in a unique light.

This discussion has now deteriorated to a being about whether there has been a meltdown or not ?. Hate to be persistent but
what is worse a natural catastrophe, or a man made catastrophe ?.

I'm proposing that playing with fireworks, results in injuries,
my question being, " is the nuclear power industry capable of supplying the security it should be, given the magnitude
of a discretionary mistake, or judgement error ".

I don't think they can provide such guarantee's.

The magnitude of an unpreventable natural event, clearly pales into insignificance when considering the magnitude of a nuclear failure, be it meltdown or other form of radiation contamination event.

If we can't get geothermal going there are just two options;

1. Nuclear, uranium and or thorium.
2. Coal and gas.

Uranium will peak, but reprocessing will take existing stocks to hundreds of years.
Coal and gas will peak by about 2025 or so.

There is nothing else capable of the job in sight at this time.

Forecast; the first night a meal cannot be cooked and the lights go
out a nuclear power station will be demanded by the next day.

Point taken Bazz. But is it, (or more importantly), should it be true ?, that we not attempt to develop sources of base load power that are viable alternatives to the list you mention as a matter of course.

Why can't we put on the thinking cap about this ?. Why can't we think outside the square on this one ?. Why can't we consider the priorities of business interests controlling supply as irrelevant when it comes to the essential services, such as power, water, communications etc.

"Uranium will peak, but reprocessing will take existing stocks to hundreds of years".

When will uranium peak, 25 yrs ?. I'm not sure that we have technology to reprocess spent fuel rods do we ?. I haven't done any research on that subject, I apologise for not having the time Bazz. Could you provide a link please.

Divergence draws attention correctly, to the connection between religion (particularly christian) and the lack of regard for the planets other organisms. Those other organisms being, not crafted in Gods image.
This should be the subject of a whole new post.

going by your last comment
im thinking the question should maybe have read
whats worse[a god event]..or a man made event..

that many dont respect nature
[that rightfully should read nurture]
for such is god.. the creator of nature..[s] true value
[love grace mercy etc]

anyhow that many dont respect gods creations
is directly the error of man[men]..not god

the high[priests of man..have misslead
and decieved many away from knowing the true good of god
[the personal life giver sustaining ALL LIVING THEIR LIVES]

to kill any life is to insult the god [good]
sustaining them their very life..[none live but that god sustains life to live]

we should be talking about the mweltdown
and govt covering up for those who made shortcuts
that allowed possable danger to become a real and present danger

i should be explaining about how the water from a joe fuel cell
neutralises radio/activity completly

i should be saying how we are even using the wrong terms
[we all know about heat RADIATING from a fire
that radiation is via convecting the heat]

that smoke dosnt radiate into the sky
nor is caled radiation[an activity not a noun]

but this is also revealing how satanists
like to use the wrong words..to keep their secret
power..[read control over the ignorant]..

so much would be clear if only we used the right words

recall you shall call him emmanuel
[god with us]..as jesus revealed god is IN US ALL..

he revealed
we dont need internediators
we can all KNOW god one to one
simply by KNOWING/hearing.. his[good]living loving INNER-voice]

ie.. god is *ALL GOOD*

if its good ..its from god
if its *not all good..its not from god

what can be worse than not knowing good
being decieved that he is bad

what's worse?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/monstersamongus.php#axzz1Gn3Vkdh9
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/03/first-radiation-particles-from-damaged.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366799/CIA-contractor-charged-murder-Pakistan-freed-U-S-pays-compensation-families.html

All Mizuho ATMs In Japan Have Stopped Working
By: Kelly Thomas
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/all-mizuho-atms-japan-have-stopped-working
Mizuho, the second-largest financial services company in Japan, has just locked out its customers from accessing their cash. Whether or not this is related to Zero Hedge reports from yesterday that the same bank is unable to complete ¥570 billion in transactions in unclear.

27 Signs That The Nuclear Crisis In Japan Is Much Worse Than Either The Mainstream Media Or The Japanese Government Have Been Telling Us
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/27-signs-that-the-nuclear-crisis-in-japan-is-much-worse-than-either-the-mainstream-media-or-the-japanese-government-have-been-telling-us

Yes, things really are that serious.

We are not just talking about a repeat of Chernobyl.

We are possibly talking about "many Chernobyls".

It is somewhat understandable that the Japanese government and the mainstream media do not want to panic the public, but the reality is that people need the truth about what is going on.

Sometimes it is much more important to watch what people are doing rather than what they are saying.

For example, a significant number of foreign governments are now evacuating personnel from Tokyo.

Fukushima nuclear plant owner falsified inspection records
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/fukushima-nuclear-plant-owner-falsified-inspection-records/story-fn84naht-1226023073141

The misconduct came to light in 2002 after whistleblowers working for General Electric, which designed the reactor, complained to the Japanese government.

Another GE employee later confessed that he had falsified records of inspections of reactor No1 in 1989 - at the request of TEPCO officials. He also admitted to falsifying other inspection reports, also on request of the client.

After that incident TEPCO was forced to shut down 17 reactors, albeit temporarily.

Official UN Forecast:
Japan Radioactive Fallout Heading To US West Coast
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/03/16/official-forecast-japan-radioactive-fallout-heading-west-coast-8740/

http://www.redress.cc/americas/pjballes20110317

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=37.037612&lon=-116.024707&z=14.1&r=0&src=msl

80,000 U.S. Cancers Caused by Bomb Test Fallout - 15,000 of Them Fatal Critics Call for Public Health Response, Compensation, Radiation Truth Commission

http://whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.nukewatch.com/quarterly/spring02/sp022.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz1GpbmSf5Y

Thinker2,
People have been scratching their brains for a long time looking for
another base load source. No conspiracy theory can explain the lack of
a solution as there is such an enormous amount of money to be made from
finding the silver bullet any such pact would collapse immediately.

Re reprocessing; try google, there have been a number of articles in
recent times. I first heard about it about 10 years ago from a friend
in the nuclear business and as he said, by the time you exhaust the
number of recycling process the waste is very small and has quite low
radio activity.

Heinberg in his book peak everything says peak uranium is about 2025
I think, but it all depends on what price will the cutoff happen.

There might well be one of those fundamental energy physics limits
that means we have used all the best energy dense methods and that
we are up against fundamental physics.

bazz quote..''fundamental physics''
is one of the scams

fundimental physics says no energy can be created
but the joe cell dosnt create 'energy'..
it taps into unused energy

much like a key opens a door
or a watergate opens to a lake

we have many other enwergies
but they are able to be liberated[accesed]..
by such cheap and simple means..they cant find ways to get huge income from them..

the joe cell costs less that 100 bucks
from then on there is only cost free driving

these wont be built anytime soon
because we are no where near running out[let alone anywhere near peak oil peak coal and peak gas]..in a few hundred years maybe then we will get the free energies

bu8t as long as some corperation [with govt affluence
and flawed 'fundamental physics' holds franchise..over limited money making resources]..

they will ridicule and supress these cheap energy alternatives..in use in many areas..right now..

as easy to make
..as they are to redicule
with..'fundamental physics'..that ignores they even egsist..

the flat earth theory..still egsists..
as long as they make a buck ...from people believing spin

On my way home tonight, I was listening to an ABC radio news report about the number of deaths caused by the Chernobyl incident, being in the vicinity of a million, according to a new report/study out of Europe.

Chernobyl is now part of Ukraine. The radiation fallout effected Ukraine, parts of Russia and Europe etc, as the cloud moved with the prevailing winds. Alternative views suggested, that it was more likely to have been about half that.

Mans capacity to deal with earthquakes and tsunami's is compromised by the nuclear power energy industry.

The current unfolding Japan situation is clear evidence, that until we have adequate control of the science of nuclear power, then it is little more than a theoretical science, until such time as it can be used safely.