See G.Edward Griffin's latest doco 'What in the World are they Spraying?' Can be down loaded off youtbe free. http://www.realityzone.com/whatspray.html

Obama has given to green light for his top scientific/technological advisor John Holdren, to experiment with conrolling the earth's climate due to suspected man made climate change.There has been much concern in the USA/Europe with chemical vapours eminating from aircraft and filling the skys for hours.Normal contrails or vapour trails,disperse quickly.

David Keith a Geo-engineer wants to use aluminium,barium,strontium and other cheap substances to reflect the sun's energy.When questioned about the health affects on people he said,"With alumina, we have only begun to research the effects and have published nothing." Another comment,"...and by the way,it is not really a moral hazard,it is more like free riding on our grandkids." So we are only free riding on our grandkids in terms of CO2 output but if they get a genetic disorder as a result of aluminium poisoning,then all experimentation is justified?

The photographic evidence is already there,that something chemical is being sprayed into our atmosphere.

Are our Govts morally obliged to tell us what they are up to even if they perceive it to be for the greater good?

govts serve corperatioons
not the people

via the two party farce..the party doners run politiions
the public servants are stooges ..to big business
its all pretty obvious ..once you look

they been doing the contrail-thing ..for ages
i expect they have been using it to do the so called warming
[ie less clouds ..more heat gets 'in']..but theyu couldnt control the sun...lol...it changed/stopped its solar-cycle ..just to thwart their scam..

what if god is the sun after all..lol

the servere weather fluctuations
..add up to something going down

add-in the HAARP..array..[the so called ..'over the horison/radar']
and the ..expected poleshift ..of dec 25 2012

the theft of our copper-lines
and OUR copper coin-age
after the theft of our silver/coins..[in 66]
where they gave us nickle/coins ..instead of sterling silver coins

add in ..the giving away of the fed/reserve..
into the control of the 12 bankers running the world..

or the enron pricing of the internet..
[by slowing it down for those who cant pay]

its easy to see we are being run by an elite
who think to own it all..

who sit on boards reaping in tax free bonus
and overly generous pensions...and share deals/discounts

now they want a food shortage

seems the swine flue ..bird/flue ..aids etc
all failed to get rid of the poor..
now they use ..their plan b

[i should never have told julia .
.about the power of the harp

;sorry kevin]

OUG,Companies like Monsanto have already developed aluminium resistant GMO crops that grow in alkaline soils.What does that tell us? They have created the problem and then give us the solution via their monopoly crops that are sterile.They are pure evil.

I have not seen evidence of spraying here.The aircraft cross the skies many times leaving clouds of chemicals that stay there for hours.The photographic and chemical evidence is now proven.If it is experimental,why then spray over the land where the people are?

I was about to write a post about just how bad governments are acting because of our apathy.
But I just could not be bothered.

It's got something to do with utube don't believe a word of it.

What? are you saying?
Is arjay a communist? Democrat? flat earther?
Head spinning stuff good by bloke.

No Belly,I believe in freedom of the individual within the parameters of a fair constitution.I'm neither left or right,black or white.It is all about the Aussie fair go which all our pollies/PS have forgotten about.

The facts are there if you all wish to see the evidence.They are experimenting on us under the ruse of stopping perceived AGW.After polluting our soils with aluminium,barium and strontium,they then offer us GMO crops that are sterile which can cope with the new alkaline soils and their poisons.

This is what happens when we let corporates rule our Govts.

I meant no harm to you arjay, by now I understand your point of view.
I wanted to highlight the nature of our newest poster.
I know no other way but to say this, JGHF mate one day I will walkaway from this forum, it will be such as you that brings this about.
For the most part even my biggest opponents here are well mannered in comparison to you.
Your ill considered trash talk is needless,if you have the ability, if you did not just come here on a mission put some meat on your thoughts.
Tell me without the insults why she failed.
And tell me, please, why every one left of Pyne is a lefty socialist/communist.
If you can,am I asking too much?
AS a punter your form looks like I am.
I now need to never again answer or refer to you again,see civility is worth an effort I fail, often but try always.

Belly,Don't let the world get you down.It is time to rise up and fight.The next 2 years will determine our destinies.Freedom or facism,the choice is ours.

Arjay I agree with you on this one.

And I wouldn't put it past American business interests to come up with something this reckless, in an attempt to cover up the damage they have created through the disproportionate amount of pollution they have created.

Thanks for bringing this matter to our attention. If true, it is truly important, and if they are doing things like this, fascism has already arrived waving a star spangled banner.

Only they know what the future holds for us, or at least they think they do. I also agree that we have arrived at a threshold in time and the next couple of years will lead us to a sustainable future or down the garden path to the end of human existence as we know it.

Arjay , this may well be one of the most important posts I've read on Forum.

I am amazed at the lack of response.

P.S. Hope I didn't kill it.

Nothing here to kill, thinker2.

>>Arjay , this may well be one of the most important posts I've read on Forum. I am amazed at the lack of response. P.S. Hope I didn't kill it.<<

It's just another of Arjay's "they're all out to get you" raves, based upon nothing more than wild speculation.

The reality is, the single biggest factor governing the length of time contrails are visible from the ground is... atmospheric conditions.

Ignoring this simple truth, an "activist" has determined that it must instead be chemical sprays, secretly delivered by secret government secret agencies, in secret.

The principle reason for thinking this would appear to be i) that the government denies it (so it must be true), ii) the scientists deny it (therefore it must be true) and iii) that nobody knows it is happening, therefore it must be.

Happening, that is.

If you can find any less vaporous "evidence" amongst the hysterical alarmist dross, the world will be very grateful.