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Posted by Bugsy, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 4:46:01 PM
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What do the French peasants of 1789 and the Russian peasants of 1917 have in common, they are smarter than us, they knew they were being dudded.
Have a look at the link below. Corbett lays out the blueprint for how the “money” spun their way out of paying for implemental environmental technology and has got the pleb to pay for the cost of running the show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXAuu_HcKOw The following post is from the Carbon Trade Watch Organization on the New Zealand Carbon experience. I chose a few paragraphs to paint the picture. Posted by sonofgloin, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 5:18:20 PM
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http://www.carbontradewatch.org/articles/new-zealands-new-carbon-market-a-taxpayer-subsidy-for-plantations-and-energy-comp.html
>>” Tuesday, 20 July 2010 New Zealand has a new carbon market, the first national scheme to be launched outside Europe. It looks set to award profits to forest plantation owners, help power companies avoid emissions reductions, and pass the costs of tackling climate change from big business to individual consumers. Initial estimates suggest that around a third of the permits, called New Zealand Units (NZUs), are expected to be sold to oil companies, with the remainder bought by electricity producers and manufacturers of cement, steel and aluminium. In response to heavy industrial lobbying, however, the New Zealand government has introduced a “buy one get one free” offer for manufacturers and the energy sector. Until 2012, companies are only expected to buy one “tonne of carbon” for every two they produce. The other half of the permits will be paid for by taxpayers. Roughly 11.7 million NZUs will be issued free to manufacturing, accounting for most of the permits required by aluminium smelters, and up to 90 per cent of permits in industrial sectors such as steel and cement. Even with the high level of assistance and free allocations, energy companies have notified customers of imminent price hikes. This mirrors the experience of the EU's Emissions Trading System, in which energy companies passed on increases to consumers way in excess of what emissions permits actually cost them. The result has been a financial bonanza for energy companies. The New Zealand Sustainability Council estimates that households will bear half the cost of the ETS during its first five years, despite accounting for just 19 per cent of all emissions. In a recent report, it concluded that the scheme imposes a “regressive quasi-tax burden on households and firms that are not major emitters, while largely exempting high-emitting vested interests with political strength.” What is clear, however, is that the practice of creating plantations to generate offsets to displace emissions reductions from fossil fuels will only serve to delay tackling climate change.”<< These guys have an agenda by the tone of the script, but on the whole they are correct. Posted by sonofgloin, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 5:18:38 PM
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In the media I noticed the pendulum has swung a bit. When Bob Brown talked about climate change being responsible for the startling weather patterns of late he was virtually told to shut up.
In the early days of AGW the 'sceptics' were told to shut up. We cannot get past using terms like "deniers" and "alarmists" and thus until irrefutable evidence (to everyone's satisfaction) is provided, we seem destined to continue shooting messengers on both sides. Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 5:21:48 PM
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good to see that some 'science is settled' hardliners are actually softening a bit. The blind faith of the 'true believers' is totally irrational. Only the deceitful now claim the science is settled.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 5:55:03 PM
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If that's your best intellectual effort, why not do as Deep-Blue does, just Yawn.
Or you could address some of the points submitted in the letter, which you can't so you won't. Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 3:04:34 PM Whats the point, when no-one has a clue, other than the fact, you all enjoy marbleizing at your word brilliance's! Come on! You know the world you live in, and round and around we go:) The only fact that is....that humans are making themselves known by the effects, that all with an ounce sence can see. Like I said to Leo lane....the human impact will come faster, than most anticipated.......so while they make you enjoy your ride of no conclusion, clear facts are shown, that we have in-deed sped up the process......and not and all's fine.......it all comes back to the amount we are consuming..........and that in its self.........is our own death sentence. BLU Posted by Deep-Blue, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 6:59:38 PM
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Just who exactly is Malcolm Roberts representing? Himself? Like minded individuals?