There is a huge double standard Anti, remember when Hewitt released the letters Princes Di, had written, he was the love rat, sleaze bag.

Yet when for example Tiger Woods was exposed, the women weren't the ones who where the sleazebags, it was Tiger.

So in reality it us men who are judged to be sleazebags, regardless whilst women get portrayed as being innocent and lilly white.

So if it is a bloke who reveals private information about a woman, he is to be condemned, if a woman reveals private information about a male, the male involved is the one who is condemned.

Another example of the same type of double standard

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/husband-charged-after-discovering-wifes-affair-by-reading-her-emails-on-shared-computer-20101228-198qu.html

"A US man who says he learned of his wife's affair by reading her e-mail on their computer faces trial on felony computer misuse charges.

Leon Walker, 33, of Michigan, used his wife's password to get into her Gmail account. Clara Walker filed for a divorce, which was granted this month.

Mr Walker told The Oakland Press of Pontiac that he was trying to protect the couple's children from neglect and calls the case a "miscarriage of justice."
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Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Sydney Turner says the charge is justified and the case will go ahead on February 7.

Privacy law writer Frederick Lane told the Detroit Free Press the law typically is used to prosecute identity theft and stealing trade secrets. He says he questions if a wife can expect privacy on a computer she shares with her husband."

Does anyone think that if the tables had been reversed she'd be facing charges?

"Girls can do anything, boys can do as they're told"

Suzieonline,

You are lying to yourself if you truly believe that the wikileaks website gets more hits than the weekly global celebrity scandal.
The measure of wikileaks is NOT how many people you think might be interested. Very few, mainly those who follow political issues, will visit Assanges website. But how popular something is, is NOT a good measure of its importance.

Pelican,

It is instructive that the wikileaks cheersquad are starting to repeat the claims of lies exposed, without actually being able to come up with any actual lies. This is propaganda at its most basic.There are no earth shattering lies which have been exposed.

Where does your right to know end? Do you decide after you’ve seen everything? Is there no gov’t information should be kept secret?

These are the questions that the cheer squad are not interested in answering. Because there is no easy answer. Its far easier to claim “Right to Know” and ignore the fact that the results of an unlimited right to know is not healthy There is no Right to Know, and never has been. For good reason.

As the thread has taken a turn for the better I visit again.
Anti you are going to get it! me too!
See you are quite right, and its every ones fault, men too.
Both females in both sports went looking for trouble.
Some do men and women just as much, show me the shy young lasses, rare indeed
Gee the PC bug is looking for me now.
Some, not all, women think common since and good manners apply only to men, push in front and demanding special treatment
In it up to my eyes now, but its true.
We put women on pedestals, yes we do, and some little princess's turn nasty, some big ones too,
At 17, a girl they had seen in School, they should have walked on water to keep away.
She however kept following, even other clubs players.
The sleeves rolled up tattooed armed women are waiting to pounce on me.
But it is time to come to grips with reality females look for and sometimes get sex as much or more than men.
Are well, my name is now mud, those who are just as offended by PC and its ability to cover up truth will use it against me,,, hope honesty gets a run too.

Belly,

I agree that it's pretty scary for men.
The whole of civilised culture is a flight away from, and an attempt to subordinate the feminine power of nature.
Why are you so surprised that women traipse around following footballers?
It's a cultural construct that women should be shy and receptive. Is nature shy and receptive?
Most people accept the proposition of the demure female without question because they have been programmed to think that way.
When females decline to conform to the template they are greeted with howls of mortification and condemnation.
What this girl has done is, no doubt, an affront to common decency...but then, "common decency" is as much an Apollonian construct as is a male's penchant for waving around his private bits for the entertainment of his mates.

PaulL

Who are you to decide where the flow of information should end? Why does it need to end? We do not live under a dictatorship. Why have some people been so conditioned to think that secrecy is the desirable norm?

Who is governing and for whom? I have already stated the grounds where information might need to be kept secret in other threads on this subject. For example some of the information in relation to wartime strategy, troop placements and other national security instances, but even in those cases the information should always be available after the event. It is now, even ASIO files are released after (I believe) 30 years.

"It is instructive that the wikileaks cheersquad are starting to repeat the claims of lies exposed, without actually being able to come up with any actual lies."

Well there is clear cut information now that supports the idea that there were never any WMDs thanks to whistleblowers in the US, UK and Australia. So what was the basis for the invasion? This information came out well before Wikileaks. If you there are no 'lies' exposed in the cables why are you so worried about sites like Wikileaks?

Disproving a lie and having access to information are not necessarily the same thing. Discovering information that has never been revealed may not expose a lie but might expose information never before presented. Don't you think we should know there is an underground nuclear facility being built in Burm with the aid of Nth Korea?

The public has a right to know as much as they want to - reading Wikileaks, the papers or watching Four Corners etal is not compulsory. Some people wish to know what governments are doing on their behalf and with their money.

PaulL, you seem hung up on Wikileaks particularly - why do you think citizens should be kept in the dark as much as possible. This is much more dangerous than transparency and potentially leads to corruption which in the end, serves no-one except those small cells of vested interets.

It really is very simple.