Absolutely spot on Lexi. It is a disaster on the world stage that Australia could advocate a policy such as offshore processing of refugee's in the first place.The reasoning behind such policy is based on xenophobic assumptions and racial hysteria.

Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison in particular have advocated and promoted such thinking
and the Gov't to it's discredit has followed suit.

Surely, "anyone fleeing another war torn part of the world and claiming refugee status should be afforded the due process of law afforded to ourselves, in order that we ourselves be considered civilised,fair and just".

Thankfully the Judiciary are independent of the political process in this country and we should all fear the day that this were not the case.

If laws had already been passed by politicians that deny natural justice to genuine refugee's in this country and those laws were the laws that judges had to interpret, then we could already consider ourselves official international pariahs and in the Zimbabwe class both morally and legally.

We can thank our forefathers that treating refugee's in this manner will ultimately prove un-constitutional and so it should be.

Here Lexi is the point that always gets me in trouble.
Make no mistake, a unionist forever, Labor center unity I am proud of it.
A child of the true left I evolved, to be proud of my party's ability to be the voice of many, not the best opposition ,forever.
This issue, like twenty more, is emotive, it divides us, it hurts the humanity and the pain.
But we should not be blinded to its implications for our country.
DO WE forget the refugee camps in Asia? those waiting to come?
Are boat people more in need than them? why? because they can pay to come.
The issue for me is are our laws our freedoms to be constantly used to,,do what?
Parliament if both party's, those who represent 85% of us get to gether and make laws that stand.
We Australians must confront this issue,not xenophobia, not racism, not uncaring unseeing, I understand the pain the deaths the hope behind this international tragedy.
Can we, must we,impose ever growing population growth on our country.
For some, do not scream,, rebut if you can, a home land within My home land is the wanted outcome ,not multi culturism.
Greens will continue to vote green, but both party's the only ones who can rule, know this issue is far from easy, votes change on it.

We have to look at the bigger picture - we have agreed to take in a certain quota of refugees - we have agreed to be part of the global solution on this far reaching global problem, all our High Court has done, and in my opinion, rightly so, is given the refugees access to legal appeal. We have argued this topic for decades and in my opinion
this is a correct step for the judiciary, - to take politics out of the equation.

Well "we" didn't actually agree at all; one politician did so without asking, and in light of new developments to which the old document seems to fall short of addressing results in new domestic laws being made, and these are at loggerheads with the old agreement.
I think we should have the option to either demand the law is reformed or remove our signature.
The semantics of our implication in the agreement could be taken anywhere.

But you are right in analyzing all considerations (with your total posts in this topic).

The art of reasoned, intelligent argument is a skill not easily acquired. It is one that I am still learning. Sound reasoning will conquer unreasonable generalisations every time however it is important not to sound too dogmatic and also to try to listen to the other person's opinion otherwise you will be deemed to be pig-headed and will subsequently be ignored. After all no one supports an abusive, or illogical debater I'm sure on that we can both agree.

I don’t want more people in Oz, particularly these people who are here because of our welfare system, why else would they have left countries more in keeping with their religious, & social beliefs.

If those who want them in are not prepared to sponsor them, & support them until they are self supporting, I don’t see why I should support them.

I can see no reason why they should come in uninvited, with lies to get classed as refugees, & then be supplied with more than many Ozzies have. The thousands on public housing waiting lists should have first access, not these illegal entrants.

If it was known that housing was not to be given to them, & those who can not prove their identity would be repatriated, by force if necessary, this rip off merchant flood would rapidly run out of puff.

Time to get real folks.