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those awful things you mentioned can be dealt with by law, not by Marxism :)
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The problem is, Al. The people making the laws don't benefit from such laws. It doesn't matter whether they lean to the left or the right. They both ensure the status quo which has always been in their favour!

MIKK....you say:

Cutbacks to defense and security spending,...then I will start to listen to their calls to cut back social services.

I can partly agree, but Defense is crucial to freedom. You must be a young pella cos apparently you don't recall Australia's lack of readiness when the Japanese came marching down Malaya and started Bombing Darwin ?

Defense is a no brainer..we must have it. If you think the Defense forces/spending hasn't been cut ...clearly you don't have a military background. I can see it more as SLASH and BURN and I have many mates in high positions in the Military and it's procurement areas.

Can you stick to the CASE STUDY Mikk..for the sake of this discussion.

Do you see........ that simply 'taxing the rich' or 'increasing taxes' does NOT produce the desired revenue outcome ?

That's what I want to know. They tried it in Maryland...and kaaaa-PUT.. they LOST money. It had nothing to do with Defense at all.

Again...do you 'see' this fundamental reality ?

Ranting or repeating 'dogma' does nothing to resolve this question.

Al you said "Yes I absolutely DO!" but you only appear to submit threads about perceived Socialists with headings like "Socialist monkey on Capitalim's back...".

Lets get some perspective here - the ALP in Australia and the Democrats in the US are not socialists. They have in fact followed too far on the RW agenda of privatisation in areas that should be IMO public assets and owned by 'the people'. They have also gone down the globalisation path which is fraught with anomalies and self-serving agreements which fail to acknowledge the sovereign rights of nations in many aspects such as biosecurity and laws surrounding adversting/labelling just to mention only two, including exploiting the poor in the developing world.

The irony is you raise issues about 'socialists' who are behaving like capitalists through and through. Your concerns should be about the extreme effects of capitalism.

Gawd, Pelican....don't you realise that if Beck says it is so...then it must be so.

Pelly...you say:

Your concerns should be about the extreme effects of capitalism.

That's exactly where my concerns are. It seems to me from observation that there are to main groups of people in society.

1/ "The professionals and their networks"
2/ "Workers and their networks"

I see that 'Capitalists' seem to chose which is most advantageous to themselves. Soros is a capitalist. Maurice Strong is a capitalist..they are billionaires... but they use their money to try to orchestrate political change... ostensibly for the betterment of society.... but in reality for the betterment of their own power and bank balance.

Then you get the 'true believers' (supposedly) the hard core commies who just want revvvvvolUTION. They are idealists for now, but if they ever have power...they will sink to the same depths of corruption and self indulgence that all men with power do.

EXAMPLE ..this will crack you up :)

There is a COMMISSION to PREVENT WASTE and FRAUD of the Stimulus money in the states.

They will meet on Nov 27th (I think)...GUESS "where" they are going to meet ? ....haha.. the RITZ CARLTON hotel! ! ! !

Just breaks me up...

Poirot.. c'mon...u can do better... c'monnnn now.....

Poirot dear... no..not "if Beck says so"

If... what he says is...wait..he says very little.... most of his shows are things OTHER people say... such as Mr Soros and various others.. he builds the show around 'their' words not his.

He always says "DON'T....believe my words.. GOOO..and do your OWN research"

All Beck does is this king of thing.

"George Soros wants to create a Global Government"

Then..he shows a clip of Soros himSELF saying just that.

Look at some of the material proxy has linked us to.