http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MH_LM/campaign_of_tabuk_and_death_of_ibrahim.htm

Ibn al Walid's Campaign against Dumah

With the withdrawal of the Byzantines and the binding of the frontier provinces with treaties and covenants of peace, Muhammad had no reason to march any further. The only one he feared was Ukaydir ibn 'Abd al Malik al Kind!, the Christian prince of Dumah. This prince was suspected of preparing to launch a treacherous attack as soon as the Byzantine forces could return. Taking no chances, Muhammad sent Khalid ibn al Walid with five hundred cavalrymen to deal with this threat and commanded the army to return to Madinah. Khalid hurried to Dumah and, discovering that its king was out on a hunting trip with his brother Hassan, attacked it without finding any appreciable resistance outside the city; its gates, however, remained tightly closed. Khalid seized Ukaydir and his brother Hassan as they returned home. He killed Hassan and threatened to kill Ukaydir unless the gates of the city were opened. Ukaydir and his city yielded. After seizing two thousand camels, eight hundred goats, four hundred loads of grain, and four hundred coats of arms, Khalid carried them, together with his captive, Prince Ukaydir, to Madinah. Muhammad offered Islam to Ukaydir, and the latter converted. He was then reinstated on his throne and became the Prophet's ally.

COMMENT....I think I pretty much caught the gist of the above in my summary earlier.

Australia is not the only country wrestling with these issues.

See: WHEN MULTICULTURALISM DOESN'T WORK from the Toronto Globe and Mail.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/time-to-lead/multiculturalism/when-multiculturalism-doesnt-work/article1737375/

Quotes:

(All capitalisations mine)

>>…Increasingly, newcomers to Canada earn less than previous generations of immigrants. Their Canadian-born children, although they typically excel in school, are, according to one study, LESS LIKELY TO FEEL A SENSE OF BELONGING IN CANADA.>>

>>…The proposed law to ban niqabs for those seeking public services in Quebec, the controversy surrounding the so-called honour killing of Muslim teenager Aqsa Parvez, the backlash against Tamil asylum seekers, the arrest of a Canadian-born doctor and Canadian Idol contestant in an alleged Islamist terror plot – all of these raise questions about Canada’s nurturing of cultural difference. Even one of Canada’s most prominent visible-minority politicians, Ujjal Dosanjh, accuses multiculturalism of allowing Sikh extremism to take root here.>>

>>… religious difference has become our biggest challenge. Muslims, the fastest-growing religious group in Canada, have recently met with resistance WHEN WEARING THE HIJAB during a sporting contest and seeking a prayer room at a university. In 2005, the Ontario government slapped an outright ban on religious courts of arbitration, which had operated for years in the Christian and Jewish faiths, because of an application to launch an Islamic court.>>

>>“Immigrating to Quebec is a PRIVILEGE,” he [Quebec Premier Jean Charest] said. “And welcoming immigrants is a responsibility for all Quebeckers. Between the two, you have to know where to draw the line.”>>

QUESTIONS:

Is immigration to Australia a “privilege”?

Or is it in some sense a “right”?

SHOULD immigration to Australia be regarded as a “privilege”?

stevenlmeyer,
Your post is an interesting one bound to trawl up a diverse range of opinions. But unquestionably your reaction to AlGore's prodding appears an over reaction at best. Why should you hate muslims so much, other than by basing your opinion on the deeds of the few. As an atheist i certainly do lump christians in to the same barrel as they are just as hateful destructive and ignorant as muslims, it is all there in history to see. You could judge christians by Hitler, catholic churches child abuse and george bush, all christians all of the lowest standard.
Leaving that aside i don't see the amount of diversity as a problem. It is the way the diverse are grouped. If that makes no sense let me explain, i would think that the world can only be better off with the most diverse range of cultures and ethnic groups possible. this will lead to a much healthier and more diverse gene pool of the human race. It also makes travel very enjoyable as the change and contrast will be endless. There has always been a certain level of immigration throughout the ages, mostly forced due to natural disasters, climate change and sadly war. But there has always been those that move because they find that which rings a bell for them. Those immigrants naturally assimilate and enrich their new home with wonders of their own culture but not with the intention of changing their adopted home. This is when diversity is good, it turns bad when it is forced on those moving as they rarely want to change their way of life and culture. This brings them into conflict with their new home and leads to intolerance and anger from the ignorant bigots of the country. After time as we have seen it can infect a whole population until the hateful way has become the norm and we show no compassion to those in need. So this would be bad diversity, and unfortunately we have this type out of control in our country.

Dear Nairbe

Steven does not manifest a hate for "muslims" he clearly declares he vehement and passionate loathing of "Islam" the religion.

You said some worrisome things about Christians too.

DOCTRINE..and CREED are the foundations of comparison and understanding.

You cannot separate any analysis of Christianity from 'CHRIST'.. Jesus of Nazareth and his example and teaching. Assessing the actions of so called Christians OTHER than using this as your 'digital theological vernier' is plain wrong and irrational.

Assess Hitler..by

a) Mein Kampf
b) His actions.

Are they in harmony? YES..they are...and thus we can say Hitler was a very good Nazi. But puh-lease.. I find using hitler as an example of 'Christian' to be insulting, offensive and degrading in the extreme.
Same goes for the treatment of 'history'.

The 'Creed' aspects of Islam which are so dangerous are the universal call to make war on non-Islam. the creedal aspects which make it abhorrent are the treatment of women, captives and children.
The personal example of Muhammad is utterly reprehensible. He allowed his soldiers to rape traumatized captive women on the battlefield and this is a war crime not to mention horrific and barbaric.

Doubt me ? :) Here it is in living black and white.

Volume 3, Book 46, Number 718:

Narrated Ibn Muhairiz:

I saw Abu Said and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said said, "We went with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Barli Al-Mustaliq and we captured some of the 'Arabs as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Apostle (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence."

Notice CAREfully what Muhammad said. "Don't to 'coitus interruptus'
but YES to intercourse... because of the point about 'if a soul is destined to exist'...ie... whether u unload in her or not it's all Allah's will if she get's pregnant.

Here is the true "Australia"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW5cECZx8k0

Look at the faces... look at them....

lentaubman,

Goodand rational analysis thanks. I agree.

Boaz,

I think I can judge for myself, you are the same person writing the same stuff since 2005... Happy ranting.