RawMustard

"No! They just figured out they can reap heaps of loot by skimming their share of the plunder!"

Actually if one could take the blinkers off they would see that emissions control of one form or another is going to happen. Business knows the earlier they can prepare the better off they will be.

"And right they are, the people are smarter than them!"

Terribly sorry but i disagree strenuously. My point was since governments became reactionary to polling real leadership has gone. The public are generally poorly informed and only interested in themselves not the nation. Just because people on this site like to try and get informed doesn't mean the masses of western Sydney would have a clue.

"Nice dream can I join in?"

Welcome i am a dreamer.

"Not frightened at all, they're just regrouping after we shot them down in their last failed attempt at trying to swindle us."

What? and you think the opposition would be different, hallo.

Peter Hume,
Unfortunately it has been a long time since they represented the electorate. The focus has been on big business and global economics. If they were representing the electorate they would make the decisions that are for all and the future then face the electorate and explain. Not say sorry for stuffing up or screaming abuse till we are numb

You lot are having some sort of a discussion to cover your own ars..
Maybe they think an AU carbon tax will be cheaper than a UN tax.
Allow the govt; to govern. The critasism is coming faster than any shift in policy.
There seems to be an intollerance toward the gov; the election is over, how about abiding by the decision.
Some constructive comment would be handy for everyone.

Up in Torres Strait some islands are supposedly under threat of flooding from rising sea level due to climate change. Yet, both federal & state Governments have no qualms about putting many millions of dollars' worth of new infrastructure at 1 m above sea level. Now, the engineering consultant firms design this infrastructure so that in one to two years it will require a major upgrade at of course the taxpayers expense. Local enterprise since amalgamation has all but vanished & yet many bureaucrats keep pushing the self-sufficiency slogan. So, with a possible flooding of millions of Dollars' of infrastructure & possible loss of habitation bureaucrats of both Governments still aren't looking at alternatives. It really is planning for the future at the most dumbfounding.

Individual, 579 and some others are worrying about the wrong problem.
The IPCC's projections have not taken into account the amount of fossil
fuels that will be consumed in coming years.
Their projections are basically for business as usual.
It will not be business as usual. If there is a supply crunch in a few
years time the big boys may well elbow Australia out of the petroleum
market and we will be restricted to the 45% of what we now consume,
from our local production.
When it happens most economies will contract so electricity consumption
will also fall. China's economy will also stall and not just because
they cannot continue around double digit growth year after year.
China has long term contracts in many countries, eg Iran, Iraq,
Venezuela, West African countries plus those oil fields that they have
purchased. They will insist on compliance no matter what effect it has
on other countries.
Coal consumption's energy yield is falling. The cost of extraction
around the world is increasing. It is only from a few suppliers that
large amounts of high quality coal are available.
Peak coal is expecte around 2025, although some say it will be
earlier. One Texas University study believes 2011 ! Hmmmm.
The fuels are not available to meet the IPCC projections of CO2.

This where the problem really lies as growth looks like being a factor
of past glories.

A good planner thinking about improving the lives and efficiency of getting around, getting things done on behalf of the public and the consumer would (have) planned more expressways, low-rent highrises in URBAN city centers that did NOT connect directly via road access to an expressway, and generally planned effective ways to allow traffic to separate more effectively based on likely intended destinations of the users, with a priority on on/off ramps, overpasses along major roads; instead, we had some sort-of attempts to do this, but after we let housing planners go nuts and draw up first, with some moderately-effective attempts to streamline traffic in what is essentially a city composed of endless residentual streets that merely have a few extra lanes between them, and everyone is seriously expected to chug along Victoria Road's 30 odd traffic lights, 2 speed cameras, 3-4 40kmh School zones.

But really, if people wanted to reduce congestion, they could make public transport cheaper and more plentiful (subsidy) and/or only give drivers licenses to more competent drivers with no dependence on medication to avoid a driving impairment.
Problem is, for this the government has to PAY money and get less revenue from the low rates of driving license applications- congestion taxes however, MAKE money- who cares about actually SOLVING the problem?

Our population is increasing.
Our debt is increasing rapidly.
Our arable land is decreasing.
Our water for farming is to be reduced.
Our energy sources are being sold overseas.
Our companies are being sold overseas.
Even out land is being sold overseas.
Our oil is depleting at 3 or 4 % per year.

We are planning for more roads !
Road planning has to stop now as it is counter productive.
How will we repay our borrowings plus interest when the music stops in China ?
By putting taxes on road use ? They have to be kidding !
Then the pollies want a BIG Australia.
Have they gone stark raving mad ?