AGIR, when and where and how did the Greens in the election preference "communists" as per your claim?

TZ52HX,
Try the website 'vote below the line'

All are listed and who they preferenced

The socialists and communists come well before Labor on the Green ticket.

Banjo, I very much am aware Gillard was from the left.
And that blind Fredrick knows she no longer is.
However Freddy's cousin that left wing union, rather stunted intellectually too,supports votes for the Greens and still thinks Gillard lives in between she lives in her own paddock.
I also am able to see the way greens voted , do you understand I a true anti far left would wast my vote on socialist groups before greens or your mob?
We stand no more than a generation away from false ALP/Conservative party's, harvesting senate preferences even getting some seats, as it becomes clear if we intend to keep the senate we,middle Australia must control it.
The lights on Labors 1948 hill are no longer kero in a hungry workers home.
Its down lighting in the beach home and that worker is more impressed by Todays Labor than a party claiming to be yesterdays one.
It is not however the voters who got it wrong my party had a headful of good ideas and not the guts to fight for them.
Back on track and if we get the numbers catch us if you can.

Ludwig asks, in the opening post:

"What about the urgency to achieve liquid fuel
security, given that our society is so utterly
and precariously dependent on oil and on its
price not going up too much or too quickly?"

The utter silence on the part of the political 'establishment' with respect to Australian liquid fuel supply security is astounding. This issue overshadows all others. Failure to have successfully addressed it will result in massive dislocation in Australia when 'gap oil' price spiking suddenly hits, as has been warned is likely.


OLO userID 'eclipse now' makes the claim in the current discussion topic 'How the USGS has misled the world on peak oil' (see: http://bit.ly/9u1xLj ), that:

"I'm on various oil networks and happen to know
that EVERY major State and Federal politician,
and probably most local government council staff,
have all been briefed [on Peak Oil]."




Is there something all our politicians know about oil supply security that is being withheld from the public?




It strikes me that addressing the seemingly inevitable problem of liquid fuel supply security would have provided the perfect focus, in the circumstance of a 'hung' Parliament, for a coalition government in the national interest comprised of both LNP and ALP members. Yet what we look like getting is an after-the-event ALP-Green coalition the electors did not vote upon in the knowledge thereof, one that APPEARS NOT TO EVEN ADDRESS WHAT THE PUBLIC, HOWEVER IMPERFECTLY, UNDERSTANDS AS THIS ALL-IMPORTANT PROBLEM!

Was the hung Parliament outcome an event engineered to hijack public policy from the representatives of over 80% of the electorate, delivering control over an agenda instead to a minority? The fact that as at 3 September, although not final figures, out of the 533,673 pre-poll votes counted Australia-wide, only 16,624 were cast in home Divisions, smacks to me of an 'engineered' electoral result.

Here are two twitpics of the AEC VTR as it displayed this morning: http://bit.ly/9XuIoV , http://bit.ly/axasTy

To view the continually updating VTR page itself, see: http://bit.ly/cQp9Jw




Who is being conned in all this?

Well I must admit those proposals, for just ONE sitting member, are pretty darn good and definitely positive proposals. Especially because their stance on parliamentary accountability is probably the reason I voted (somewhat) for them myself.
Especially considering:
-They didn't demand something on asylum seekers when it's arguable that most voters may want it the way the majors are putting it
-They aren't so heavily focusing on their moralistic individual-conduct-to-be-more-environmentally-friendly stances

I'm very disappointed they never touched privatization issues or abortion/euthanasia though.

As for population- sadly as they don't actually give a toss about population policy for the same reason Dick Smith and myself do (that is, quality of living and slowing down urbanization- as opposed to a more superficial stance, I can't really say I'm sorry they left it out.

The rest I would never expect either major to agree with, so I'm not down over those.

<< This issue overshadows all others >>

Forrest, yes it SHOULD overshadow all others.

The issue of liquid fuel security / oil addiction is of the utmost urgency. It is just so grossly irresponsible of the ALP, LNP or Greens to not push it with the urgency that it needs.

What can you say about these 'great' political parties when they don’t even bring this issue forward AT ALL?

Oh, the Greens, where on Earth are they at? They are specifically there to push the big environment and social issues that the big parties miss, AREN’T THEY??

If not, then what the hell are they really about??

And as if that wasn’t bad enough, they also completely missed the wonderful opportunity to get a strong agreement on action to deal with population growth / high immigration / the continuous growth paradigm / a sustainable Australia.

Pfpfpfpfpfpfpfpffffffffffffffff. I am soooooo disgusted!