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Crocodile tears

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DD, i get that the video is old . I just felt the footage was a bit over the top. I prefer to see death camp footage used to high light ethnic cleansing not gross negligence. Other wise the point is made.
SM, Yes that maybe correct (i have not checked your figures) but these are achieved not through the governments improvements to programs, funding and infrastructure but by advances in medical technology and procedure. Successive governments have cut back on scientific and medical research and sold off vital and strategic bodies such as CSL. we are a joke when it comes to the funding of these issues and if left to the private sector as the lib's so strongly believe we will only get more low quality drugs in the system that make people sick and companies rich.
One reason for the improvement in mens health is that it is not taboo for men to talk about it anymore that is social change not government policy.
Posted by nairbe, Thursday, 2 September 2010 7:44:35 PM
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John I agree that the focus on selected deaths does not stack up. Your post though looks like crocodile tears used to facilitate a political attack on just one side.

How many died while the Hawke or Keating governments were in power? Do you have reason to believe that the trends in work related fatalities or incapacitation's was substantially different during Rudd's watch?

Have other politicians behaved in a markedly better manner than Abbott when it comes to the tactics you attack Abbott over?

When was the last time you saw a PM (from any party) turn up at the funeral of an electrician or a road worker killed on the job?

I don't think that Abbott had much to do with workplace safety but you might care to look at the trends on the rates of workplace fatalities in the report at http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/75DC1241-76F2-4737-90F8-B75D3A2A78A7/0/Key_work_health_safety_statistics_2010.pdf

"Result: While Australia has one of the fastest falling fatality rates among the best performing countries world wide, it has remained in 7th place" (page 5)

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 2 September 2010 7:47:22 PM
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Robert;
The purpose of the 'Crocodile tears' was to point out that while people at work are ignored when they become casualties, Abbott suddenly found compassion for deaths at work, when he could make political capital out of what he calls a 'Debacle' without also condemning the invisible slaughter in the world of work.
After watching, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gLcmbhII-o
I am convinced Abbott has zero emotional intelligence. But when ever I hear any politician call us "the people out there', I worry about whether we are on the same planet.
Just imagine how much blood and treasure we would save if politicians really cared what happened to workers and service men and women.
Posted by John Jawrence Ward, Friday, 3 September 2010 9:40:38 AM
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DD, i get that the video is old . I just felt the footage was a bit over the top. I prefer to see death camp footage used to high light ethnic cleansing not gross negligence. Other wise the point is made.
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I agree, BUT the smart leaders [or those that pull their strings] no longer do OBVIOUS ethic cleansing as in former Iraq, but smart EC, and the Mad Monk in that interview was over the moon that chook flu would have made him the decider of WHO gets the anti-viral and who does not, and he had made it clear that Aged Pensioners would NOT, if you see the whole interview.

But small change [at 50,000 dead] compared to american EC [or depopulation as they call it] with 40 million so far wiped out by their AIDS genocide in Africa, all started from the man made AIDS virus from the Manhattan Experiment in 1980, and then holding these countries to ransom by witholding the anti viral drugs.

so a win-win for america, either make trillions from supply the drugs or let them die and take the OIL, because in the end OIL is the HUGE problem facing america in years to come.

The movie Avatar says 150 years but it could be way sooner.
Posted by Divorce Doctor, Friday, 3 September 2010 11:05:41 AM
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RObert:
Amazed at the Machiavellian twist due to WorkChoices, exposed in http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/75DC1241-76F2-4737-90F8-B75D3A2A78A7/0/Key_work_health_safety_statistics_2010.pdf
John Howard's individual contracts made many people self employed contractors who are not counted in workplace stats. The other interesting fact reported was the total number of work-related disease fatalities has been conservatively estimated to be at least 2000 deaths per year.
In 2007, there were 551 registered deaths attributed to mesothelioma: an increase on the 486 deaths registered in 2006.
It has been estimated that the numbers will not peak until after
2013. page 11.
Just shows how you can hide data in plain site.
Posted by John Jawrence Ward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 10:50:44 PM
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John I'd still like you to explain why Abbott is singled out and other politicians ignored. Whilst I don't like the spin etc I'm not seeing anything different from him on that than appears to be the norm from most politicans.

Polly's can and do hid stat's in plane view by definitions which are not what most would expect. Again whilst Abbott is less than impressive tell me why he get's singled out for your ire/

Mesothelioma is a long term issue, deaths from it while Abbott was health minister are unrelated to workplace conditions at that time.

We should be able to expect better from those who seek to lead, that's not likely to happen while it seems to be Ok for one side to do it but not the other.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Sunday, 5 September 2010 8:10:41 AM
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