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The Climate Debate is Ridiculous

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Dear Foxy,

What can we do?

This article was brought to my notice by an acquaintance of mine. She used to be the Green's leader in Canada in the mid-nineties, but she went back to publishing and journalism because she thought she could do more. Perhaps she should have stuck it out politically, as it seems that things have gone downhill environmentally in Canada.
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 1 August 2010 11:12:48 AM
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Dear Poirot,

Well there's an election just around the
corner.

At least we can weigh up the choices that
we're facing in who has the best policies
for sustainability. Or can we?

I must admit I had to laugh (otherwise
I'd cry) at Anson Cameron's article in, The Age,
Saturday, July 31st 2010, entitled, "Telly turf
war spells ad infinitum."

In it he states, "...When Julia comes on TV and
tells me Tony can't be trusted, I believe her.
She's got my vote. And when Tony comes on and
tells me Julia is a usurper without ethics, I
believe him. He's got my vote. And when Julia
comes on and tell me Tony's a climate turnip
who will burn us all, I believe her. She's got
my vote. Done deal. Again. And, then, when Tony
comes on and tells me Julia's a puppet of
wharfies-who-would-be-kings, I believe him.
Undone deal, Julia. Tony's got my vote again.
Gullibility means serving many masters in the
course of a day. Each evening between sitcoms
I'm pulling more political volte-faces than
Winston between wars..."
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 1 August 2010 3:41:45 PM
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Foxy

There are 3 things I know of for sure about Julia Gillard:

1. She has never claimed that climate change is crap.
2. She never tried to ban an effective contraception for women.
3. She is not concerned whether a person is a virgin or not.

She may not be perfect, but she is never likely to enter Australia into war because god told her to.
Posted by Severin, Sunday, 1 August 2010 3:50:24 PM
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Dear Foxy,

This has been my problem during this campaign - the campaign blather and the personalities on offer didn't serve the purpose of getting me motivated to listen and choose - it had the opposite effect - and for the first time, I just stopped listening. I've hardly watched any telly since it started so I've spared myself the ads....must admit, the possibility of a Liberal government led by Mr Abbott is mildly terrifying...wonder what Mr Costello is thinking.
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 1 August 2010 3:50:43 PM
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Dear Severin,

I agree with two of your points about Julia
Gillard. The third, I'm a bit hesitant over
because although her decisions in the future
may not be based on what "God told her to do,"
can we say the same about the dictates of the
Labor Factions?

Dear Poirot,

Watching the adds on TV is very disheartening.
It's all about attack and condemnation.
Surely people should realise that voters are
not idiots, they want substance not spin.
And you're right, it's hard to remain positive,
but I'm going to keep on trying - because as
I've said previously on this Forum - Tony Abbott
and Co., scares me.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 1 August 2010 6:42:55 PM
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Foxy… still promoting the myth….

you are promoting the theory, note theory, not irrefutable fact that

“The most far-reaching effect of air pollution,
is a change in the global climate. As a result of
the burning of fuels and wastes and the razing of
forests, the amount of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere is steadily increasing.”

Causes

“This warming effect is already under way, and average
global temperature is expected to rise by 3 to 8 degrees
Fahrenheit by 2030.”

You hypothesise: air pollution is the cause of accelerated warming.

is simply

Simplistic, science for simpletons

Whilst I would agree, pollution, be it air or terrestrial, is undesirable,

I would suggest you are relying on the ignorance of others if you think that for one minute there is any correlation between air pollution and global warming.

Especially, when the earth has a history of warm and cooling through cycles in history which, because of a lack of people, must have something to do with non-Anthropogenic sources, such as variations in earth orbit relative to the sun, shifts in the position of the earths axis, volcanic activity or any other influences which was never and will never be influenced by anthropogenic pollution.

So back to air pollution… you will find there is a direct correlation between city air quality and the activities and concentration of people in them.

That is a fact but I would further note, such pollution is concentrated in countries which use individual house fires to cook and not modern cities which rely on coal fired power stations or better still (from an air quality perspective, nuclear fueled power stations.

Re “temperature may have increased by as much as 9 degrees.”

And Malthus said the world would 150 collapse years ago and we are still waiting

Re “nobody can tell you anything”

If you mean "No leftie bulltish will go unchallenged"

You are right!

I listen all the time but when offered the simplistic bulltish as the basis to interfere in my liberty I challenge it

As I will always challenge the failed Bulltish pseudo-science of collectivism
Posted by Stern, Sunday, 1 August 2010 6:52:26 PM
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