Philo... "So in a secular state it is OK for the Government to give every child Mao's little Red Book but not to give then books on human history and cultural development as some agnostics disagree with the relavence of cultural development"... now you're being just a little bit silly.

Who gives out that stuff?

And what's all this 'history and cultural development' stuff that 'agnostics' are worried about?

I get the feeling that 'agnostics' don't have too much of an idea what they object to in these matters, since they have not come down on one 'side' or another.

I think the only people wanting to give books out to 'the kiddies' were Latham and Mem Fox in a failed election campaign some years ago.

It fell on stony ground.... in our 'not quite' secular nation-state.

TBC sure does seem to be full of envy. If the privileges were so great as a preacher why aren't there multitudes lining up for the jobs like there are among secular professions. With the millions that the current Government has wasted on sending a thousand to the farcical CopenHagen festival, the pink bats waste, the building fund rip off I suspect we are talking in relative terms about small amounts.

Poor TBC seems very envious of the fact that people of faith are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Secular dogma insists on the tax payer to spread their dogmas. Secularist are champions of other peoples money and now want to strip churches of money given that has already incurred tax by the givers.

Thankfully most can see through the hatred and envy of TBC and his high priests.

Oh Runner!

I am sorry to say this but you are a goose Runner, you really are.

Your religion exists on ATO and personal handouts, and you have the gall to say that "Secularist are champions of other peoples money".

Come, come.... a little reality please.

$31b annually is not small change, in my book.

I feel sorrow Runner, for you and your deluded chums, not envy.

There is nothing to envy after all, only lots to wonder about, and hope that you do not spiral into some form of mental illness with your beliefs.

I could say a secular prayer for you, if you'd like me to?

Would that help to drive the demons, the Serpents even, from your chest?

TBC

'Would that help to drive the demons, the Serpents even, from your chest?'

Just a little rational thought would be a big improvement.

Runner.. there are people who can help you return to rational though processes.

Don't be scared to approach your doctor and ask for help.

I am no expert here, so suggest you seek real medical advice as soon as possible.

It's always good to get your burdens off your chest, eh?

Good luck.