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So You Think You're A Pollie?

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Well, this idea went down like a “Lead Balloon” did it not? Thanks anyway Foxy and examinator.

I really did think that the interrogative nature of OLOers would have jumped at the chance to go through government and opposition policy “like a dose of salts”.

Perhaps examinator is right and that for many; this forum is just about the “ill informed, biased, bigoted individuals trying to air their pet idiocies”. This is quite sad really and seems to be evidenced by the reponses so far.

Sorry about that Graham but thanks for giving it a shot anyway.
Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 8:28:58 AM
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Not a lead balloon at all spindoc, a good idea in principle maybe just not logistically possible as someone else suggested with the overload on the servers. It could work if GY maybe took a number of questions from contributors and put it to the various parties and Independents with an article/s detailing the responses.

There are plenty of topics to pick from, a glimpse of people's concerns gleened from various media at the moment seem to focus on issues of: Big Australia, Mineral Resources tax, tax reform, health reform, asylum seekers, Federalism, climate change, ageing population, renewable energy investment and free trade. There are of course many other issues.

Perhaps even some questions about participatory democracy and referendums, or topics like euthanasia, national security/law enforcement/border protection, and tertiary education.

It is good to know from what ideological premise each candidate starts from even if they don't always quite end up there. Sometimes other pressures arise which may influence a change in direction or a delay, such as the GFC; or even because it might be acknowledged it is not what the people want (at all or in that form).

It is not good enough just to know what someone believes in but how they will go about achieving their goals.
Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 9:32:52 AM
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Possibly not.

>>Perhaps examinator is right and that for many; this forum is just about the “ill informed, biased, bigoted individuals trying to air their pet idiocies”. This is quite sad really and seems to be evidenced by the reponses so far.<<

My experience is that where the subject matter is presented with respect, it tends to be treated with respect.

The opportunity for a Party to present their policies for scrutiny may be technically interesting, but I doubt we would see anything of value from them.

I suggest that the politicians themselves would be extremely flexible in their approach to facts; bland rather than interesting or challenging; and obfuscatory rather than candid.

A perfect reflection of politics in Australia, in fact.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 9:37:34 AM
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"I suggest that the politicians themselves would be extremely flexible in their approach to facts; bland rather than interesting or challenging; and obfuscatory rather than candid. A perfect reflection of politics in Australia, in fact."

Pericles, I was just going to post a similar rider.

If there was a "So You Think You're A Pollie" television show one might need to connect candidates to a lie detector prior to questioning and the audience can go for it?

No need for a Worm at all then.
Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:06:42 AM
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You hit the nail on the head pelican; it is about us understanding “how they will go about achieving their goals”.

I don’t anticipate any form of interactivity, simply a “thread” per policy for each Party.

Let’s say six key policy statements (nominated by OLO?) for each of the ALP, Lib/Nats, Greens and Independents. That’s 24 threads over say six months, that’s only 4 normal threads per month, no abnormal work or loading there. (GY?)

Each policy statement is about “their” policy, not any others’. The policy statement is their “what” they intend doing. Our fun would be in trying to understand the “how?”

If OLOers cannot understand the “how” from the policy explanation, a number of questions would be generated and the number of unanswered questions might be the “measure” of the effectiveness of the statement.

I suspect this would self limit the temptation for OLOers to offer “opinions” as our primary task would be policy interrogation rather than its fit with our individual political disposition.

We might even work as a team? (Heaven forbid) as some will be much better informed on certain policies than others. One thing is for certain, we are all capable of asking some hard questions and if they are not answered in the statement, what’s wrong with letting the Pollies know what it is “we” can’t understand?

In the end it won’t really matter if we are dealing with the Pollies direct as we will have their policy statements. But they will benefit from our assessment of what is not understood.

Any nominations for key policy platforms? Pelican threw some up in his post.

My six nominations would be say; Health, Immigration, Renewable Energy, Tax reform, Federalism and Education
Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:31:56 AM
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Pelican,
Great idea for a TV show! Selected members of the audience takes turns to ask a question then push the button.
They are competing for prizes as voted on by the audience worm. "The best of the day/week/series" get bigger prizes.
There is giant meter that ranges from "intelligent", "sensible", "information seeking", "iffy", "Dumb" "Dubious", politically motivated, "rant", "bigot" That grades the question once the button is pushed.
Each rating is accompanied by a sound i.e. "Cheers" with "intelligent", etc" a Raspberry" for "Dumb" to "Boos, hisses shame" for "bigot".
The pollie chooses a cause in their electorate and is playing for a contribution and the title of the most believable pollie.

The Pollie is only required to answer "Dubious" and above "politically" motivated and below earns the questioner is cut off.

If the pollie lies according to the polygraph they get the the loud negative sounds and loses point.

I toyed with making it like a Japanese game show with all sorts of shocks, assorted humiliation etc but the humanist in me, after considerable debate decided, by a narrow margin, it was a little primal inflicting pain on the deserving, enjoyable but not nice.

What do you think it's in line with current 'reality shows'

I know, I know, time for the get a life corner.
Posted by examinator, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 11:02:57 AM
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