Belly, I'm sorry to hear of your family's tragedy. I was a very lucky young man who had some incredibly close calls due to speed and stupidity and only one really serious accident. I do hope your family can be as lucky as I was.

Like leaning & common sense so too stupidity is part of each individual's make up. How many times do we see police & ambulance being abused whilst trying to help ? now there you have several stupidities. 1; those who abuse 2; those who refuse to punish the abusers 3; those who keep defending abusers 4; those who don't cease to provide support to those who obviously don't deserve it, 5; those who think that all responsibility is up to others. the list goes on....

Dear Belly,

I've just come back to this thread.

I'm so sorry about your family.
Speed is a killer.

I've had quite a few friends badly injured,
especially on motorbikes. One will never be
the same.

You take care of yourself - take some time
out for yourself if you can. Also know that
you and your family are in our thoughts and
prayers.

We really like you Belly, because you bring balance to any debate. You are a predictable Ruddite, but not a Luddite. Peter Sellick had an article that was way too deep, and almost nothing tickled my fancy in the articles section.

Some exciting things are happening in Victoria. There are rumblings in Gippsland and all over Victoria where a pair of blokes are out praising the Labor Party amendments to the Trade Practices Act 1974, and praising the Liberals for extending them to local Shire Councils. There is a Toxic Labor Government in Victoria and one nearly as toxic in New South Wales and Queensland, and Rudd has been a real disappointment because he has not asserted the supremacy of the Commonwealth.

The problem is that even Rudd and his advisers have had no great benefit from their expensive free education. The punctuation in the Constitution is quite clear. A bloke called David Wyn:Miller from Hawaii was in Australia and he has a system that gets Judges to resign, and has had 4000 leave office in the United States. This included the whole Supreme Court in Hawaii. He claims an IQ of 200. One of my Time-Life Books claimed that Mozart, Bach, Ataturk, and Jesus Christ had that kind of IQ, and Einstein was not far away. They all changed the way society did business.

The word in the Constitution is judges and courts, in S 79. An educated man would know, that these are generic words, and that Courts and Judges are not the same thing. This pair of bods reckon the Commonwealth is liable to those who have been screwed by the Courts and Judges. Keep on discussing the ways of they world. We have had someone tell us that Prince Billy is coming as a Governor General. Rumors abound, but the natives are restless

Thank all, never wanted to turn the thread into my problems.
I n fact it took place after I posted first.
Need to share this,,,, it may help some one.
My job NSW RTA was on that death strip.
12 dead in one week, 27 one year, a hundred call backs to work in the middle of the night.
Holiday time is the worst, winter second.
The young think they invented sex, joy, fun, and that those like me are too old to understand.
Yet I made most of the mistakes they do, not however driving above my ability's, see even now I am a petrol head, drive too fast, but not much faster than legal.
Of all the dead body's, stopped counting at 73, all the crippled people including a great bloke local cop who broke down mentally and left his lifetime job, kids the youth died in numbers that break your heart.
Full of joy happiness at being on holiday killed them.
Winter car heaters on full cars locked at just over the speed limit sleeping drivers speeding on to death,
We must learn we are fragile.

Each of us has or will feel as I do now.
Hollow, helpless, fear filled almost afraid to answer the phone.
Tell your sons about that feeling, and tell them you love them, please.
As the day got older it was 5 not 4 in hospital, all very unwell.
Youths all maybe under 18, my relatives for sure no more than 16.
Speed bravado, foolishness and grief.
The pain and fear in my brother voice, gee that hurts Foxy, you will understand this, as my dad died I had my Christian belief, this time I can not bring myself to other than wish.
3 of these kids have possible spinal damage.
The worst is a great young kid and he may not make it to night, I hope he does.
What can we do about it?
Stop our kids being kids.
Is it worth taking driving rights away for 5 years?
for silly driving/
PTB Individual lets talk about me being a Rudd fan in another thread