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Reducing traffic accidents by getting rid of all traffic signs
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Posted by examinator, Thursday, 8 April 2010 9:35:13 AM
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Imagine it in Sydney or Melbourne CBD!
If we went back to the always Give Way to Your Right at all intersections or T-junctions in peak hour - you would never get to work on time. I imagine in smaller urban areas it might work given that people would take more care in being aware there were no traffic signs. Posted by pelican, Thursday, 8 April 2010 9:56:53 AM
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@pelican: Imagine it in Sydney or Melbourne CBD!
You don't have to imagine. The Arc de Triomphe is Paris is a "8 lane" roundabout. I put 8 lane in quotes because there are no lane markings, but I did count 8 cars across. There are no traffic signs, no lights, no traffic coordination of any kind I could see. The traffic in Paris is certainly no better than in Sydney. The first time I saw it in action I was sitting beside an American, who I hadn't noticed until he said under his breath "this is absolute chaos". I thought it was an apt description. Chaos or not, it worked. I did see cars travelling at 90 degrees to the traffic flow and a lot of other insane things. But I didn't see an accident, and I didn't see the traffic stop for any length of time. The picture on Google Maps is a light traffic day. The days I saw it there was not enough space to walk between the cars. http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&geocode=&ll=48.873822,2.295054&spn=0.001538,0.00464&t=h&z=18 Before seeing the Arc de Triomphe I had heard Traffic Experts say what Jardine K. Jardine says here I was sceptical at the time too. But they are right - it works. In fact, from what I could see the French treat all road signs are purely advisory, yet it all still seems to work. Interestingly, the drivers in France seemed to be lot less aggressive, a lot more willing to give way to others, and in happy to go with the flow and let others do the same. In retrospect, I don't think they have much choice. The only caveat is it only works in low speed suburban situations, where the drivers have time to react. Posted by rstuart, Thursday, 8 April 2010 1:17:17 PM
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I have said for several decades that the ONLY solution short of not having vehicles is to install speed governors in vehicles. 80km/h ! Period !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 8 April 2010 1:32:41 PM
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Here is a video of the Arc de Triomphe that shows roughly what I saw, although again the traffic is lighter than when I saw it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BliGIPQ_KHc Posted by rstuart, Thursday, 8 April 2010 1:36:54 PM
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The French are less aggressive - really? In my experience, the French don't follow the road rules so I guess taking down signs and traffic 'calming' measures would make no difference. :) Posted by pelican, Friday, 9 April 2010 10:14:53 AM
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His concept might work in small towns where most of the people know each other or the actual traffic flow was low.
I would suggest that once you get to levels where the individual is merely the motorized unit in a busy traffic flow, a whole new set of factors (particularly group psychological)ones tends to take over. Thus rendering the idea as, inappropriate and dangerous.