R0bert

I don't even know where to begin on the can of worms that is divorce and how separate legislature would apply. I don't even see how men and women could cohabitate with such legislature.

All I know is whenever whistler inserts one of his/her posts anywhere, whatever point one of the rest of us may be trying to make gets lost in the process. Perhaps better to treat whistler as a more sophisticated troll (trolls rarely having their own website).

Antiseptic

You strike me as a Robert Ludlum fan.

Severin:"You strike me as a Robert Ludlum fan."

More Iain Banks or Neal Stephenson or perhaps Peter Hamilton. Banks has a wonderful gift for language and Stephenson is...well, his plots are dense, some of his concepts are remarkable and his writing flows easily, as can be said for Hamilton. All 3 are tremendously inventive.

It's sad, but there are few new good writers in science fiction. When they appear the publishers make them produce 3 or 4 volume door stoppers that should have been either 3 separate books, or more probably, 1 decent volume. Instead of focussing on the author as brand, they focus on a "series", thereby producing the literary equivalent of a series of McDonald's burgers.

Ludlum was pretty good early on, but deteriorated to a third-rate Ian Maclean clone. His research sucked too.

RObert thanks for this thread.

apologies for the delay in my reply,
i've been occupied updating articles on my site http://2mf.net i hadn't looked at for 15 years.

the notion of women's and men's legislatures first occurred to me some time in the early 1980s when i was returned from a month in gaol in Sweden after an unsuccessful application for political asylum following a particularly brutal night of police bashing when i was removed and relocated for several hours to the Prahran Police Station from my "Australian Independence Communications Office"' located in an Aboriginal Entertainment Centre in St Kilda near Brighton in Melbourne where i was born.

i had spent the previous decade living with the Victorian Aboriginal community whilst being mentored in constitutional reform.

gender based legislatures are considered more important than other groupings because if women and men are equal all demographics comprising women and men are equal, which arguably, is everyone.
the same can't be said for any other demographic, such is the nature of the human condition.

one under god, i can only agree.
the savings alone in the delivery of justice with a premium on certainty would solve the crime problem.

Severin, i'm a 58yo male and would argue the source of hatred some people have for the opposite sex is the uncertainty of speculating as to what might be on the mind of the opposite sex.
surely the current arrangement of men's legislatures only is sexually driven apartheid.

pelican, Severin did nothing of the sort.
Australia already is a democracy with separate legislatures.
gendering them snatches the jewel of equality from the jowls of iniquity.

the rising level of cynicism, wedge politics and division occurs precisely because we establish different treatment for various interest groups. men have legislatures, women don't.

the Constitution gives a majority of men in Parliament the power to ban women from voting and replace all women members with men. only a majority of the people in a majority of states can ban men.

human is comprised of women and men, human the abstract, women and men for real.

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R0bert, overt sexism disadvantages a sex, like how Australia's Constitution deprives women of a legislature.
the site celebrates gender difference.
whistler's hand puppet may be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Von-SGtpN8

gendered legislatures agree on the same law just like the men's ones do now whether its family law or speed limit's and penalties.
the laws gendered legislatures determine are interpreted in women's and men's jurisdictions, just like the laws men's legislatures determine now are interpreted in a men's jurisdiction only.

what divides us is why we're not machines.

yes the Constitution does work.
it works so well it's the rock at the vanguard of the human journey to equality.
more so the cycle of franchise to legislature commenced in its second year.

Severin, all men dominate all women, no exception, its the law.
a women's legislature would help.
parliaments across the world already have women's caucuses attached to their legislatures.
California's congress for instance. a legislature is a formal caucus.

Tom Calma's organising a congress with equal numbers of women and men to replace ATSIC.

views of both sexes are distorted by a distorted Constitution.
you don't need to visit my site to see apartheid at work preventing half Australia's population from having a legislature.

Foxy, yes, inversion is an excellent tool.
someone questioned me recently about the transplanting of complex and different systems of kin and eldership and men's and women's business onto the structures of Western law and justice,
to which i replied my commentary isn't about transplanting men's and women's business onto the structures of Western law and justice, its about transplanting the structures of Western law and justice onto men's and women's business.

Severin, there are no separate laws, there are separate courts which interpret the same laws.
moreover, there are separate jurisdictions within those courts.
a matter may be heard in several jurisdictions at the same time, the men's jurisdiction in the custodial jurisdiction of the jurisdiction of the Family Court, for instance.
men's laws only interpreted in a men's jurisdiction only is regressive.

again apologies for the delay,
hope everybody has a happy sunday.

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whistler,

You say in your site that, "Women are first-class citizens in the Aboriginal tradition of governance by agreement between women's and men's committees and second-class citizens in a Commonwealth governed by legislatures men allow women to attend.
Which citizen would you rather be?"

With the greatest respect I would not like to be an Aboriginal girl child used and abused through marriage to an old man. No rights, no consent (as if a child could give informed consent anyhow), no childhood, no education, a body full of bruises and no hope.

Having travelled though some Aboriginal communities and seen the pitiful state of women and children at the hands of their menfolk and having had those observations confirmed by the reports in the media of independent medical practitioners and other professionals, I can say without hesitation that I would not like to be one of those girls or women.

Whistler

Thank you for your responses - need some time to consider what you have said and try to see how it could be implemented into western culture - frankly I can't.

Cornflower

Your point regarding the treatment of aboriginal females is true - but is it the result of 'western' style culture interposed with traditional values? Aboriginal culture is not what it used to be.

Whistler

Were young girls married off to old men before white settlement? It is a common practice still among many other cultures.

Anti

I am a big fan of Iain Banks both his sci-fi and straight fiction. Damn.