Foxy, in my opinion, both the libs, & Australia in general, will be much better off, if they stay where they are, if their only chance of winning is with Turnbull as leader.

It is hard for me to imagine many people I would see as worse than Rudd as our prime Minister, & I'm sure Abbott is not one of them. However Turnbull is most definitely one of them. Another of them is a bottle red head, unfortunately.

At least Rudd is unlikely to do anything, except spend money. There are a whole range of stupid things Turnbull would probably try to do.

Even though he's my local member,he does disappoint.Why not let couples with children income split with one partner working thus paying less tax.Larger businesses could also contribute in the first 6 mnths with 30% salary.

Tony is trying to win back the female vote due to the losses because of his views on abortion.He is turning out to be just another opportunistic polly,having an each way bet on AGW and compromising his own economic wisdom.

I invite comment from conservatives on Costello's view.
It is amusing me the twists and turns in this matter.
To see Liberals and Barnaby Joyce even Iron bar Tucky insulting Costello has got me grinning.
Fact is dislike him as I do he is far better placed to comment than all of them.
Yes rough sailing for Rudd, but not as rough as some think, I saw Abbott plan as something the very left in my party would put up, and that if they did it would damage us, but to come from conservatives.
Gordian knot comes to mind.
Yesterdays hero regarded as a fool for being more a conservative than Abbott?