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Legal Break and Enter by the Taxman

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Welcome to the New World Order of Oligarachy.The Global elites like socialism because it centralises power and since they can control our Govts they can profit and be more powerful.

Take the example of health.Here it is supposedly free.We pay enormous taxes for drugs,and health services.Because it appears to be free,people over utilise it and thus we all pay more for less.Look at our tolled roads and thousands of private entities servicing bloated useless self serving bureaucracies.We have regulation based upon regulation for no useful purpose.

I see the total collapse of Western Civilisation in the next few years unless we get back to the basics of freedom of the individual and a monetary system not controlled by the global central banks.

China and Russia will be the new world powers and we will be the new third world white trash.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 5:02:34 PM
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To follow on from *CJ* one of the things that I find thoroughly repugnant in all of this stems from the fact that the Australian system of guvment is "supposed" to be founded in part upon the principal of checks and balances across the 3 tiers:

1. Executive
2. Legislative
3. Judicial

i.e in this matter of the powers of the "A.T.O." to break & enter, if they are unregulated by the judiciary in the form of them having to seek a warrant

(and someone well versed in civil liberties could no doubt expound upon the reasons why far better than I)

then there is in fact no real check and balance at all.

j.howard also did much to erode this principal with his tin pot "Illegal Immigrant Tribunals" and then of course there is the bypassing of the processes of the UN in the "Iraq war" and no doubt there are plenty of other examples.

With respect to Foxy, the OmbudsPerson is laughable, with all there mealy mouthed insipid claptrap about conventions and social graces.

Admittedly, I haven't read this piece of legislation, but I would suspect that they can do as they damn well please, but will play a nice little game of social graces if and only if you pass the "attitude test."

Essentially, the guvment is full of people who have delusions of grandeur, in that they believe that they know better, as evidenced by the fact that they under mine the very foundation of the system of guvment currently in force in Australia by circumventing the checks and balances of the judiciary on the one hand, and refusing to re-vamp and re-regulate the legal system generally to make it more time and cost effective on the other.

Bin the band aided Constitution and bring on a Republic I say!
Posted by DreamOn, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 5:35:38 PM
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C J Morgan

Yes, that neatly encapsulates my concerns.

Foxy

Hi, The Ombudsman would have looked at compliance with available regulations (most resulting from ministerial delegation) and procedural aspects (which he criticised), while accepting that the powers exist. In the circumstances I imagine he would have stayed within his brief. I imagine that a judge might have said something different entirely.

Austin Powerless

Heh, heh, sjamboks are available in synthetic and are equally effective. That way you could tap them between the eyes and still be legal (apologies for the 'tap' pun).

examinator, "(if) the ATO have you well in focus,and have time to arrange a locksmith why then, they couldn't/shouldn't get a warrant."

Yes, exactly.

General comment
The total number of raids is astonishing. As a public body the ATO can easily hide behind privacy, confidentiality and maybe even security to hide and obscure the reasons for its raids and the success of them.

Frankly to ensure accountability and transparency I would like to see a representative of the public and at least one senior auditor from private enterprise on the audit committees of government departments.
Posted by Cornflower, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 6:21:33 PM
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The ATO is it's own law. If you are stealing from the ATO you are stealing from AU
What other crime carries the significance of stealing from every other person in AU.
If you don't have anything to worry about whats the problem. [skweaky kleen.]
Posted by Desmond, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 6:37:45 PM
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Desmond you have a very limited view of fairness and democracy.We live in an oligarchy which means Corporate enterprises now take much of our dollars.The corporate media determine who will be our next Govt by virtue of their donations and market influence.

The Tax office in reality is just another corporate agency to collect money from the masses to pay for over serviced medical,toll roads,and annointed corporate contractors who sing the right tune.

The best form of democratic Govt is small Govt with few taxes and the general populace who take responsibility for their actions.The Nanny State equals self destruction.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 8:50:03 PM
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The power that the ATO get is actually from the Excise Act where they are allowed to enter any property without warrent.
Surprising how many illicit stills there are around.
The excise responsibilty was originally under the Customs portfolio but this power is now under the Taxation Office.
Maybe if Desmond arrives at work one day to find the place full of auditors and the office records marching out the door, he might change his mind.
Posted by ponde, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 8:13:32 PM
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