I quote someone from ABC radio talkback who remarked today "that if he wanted to dump his rubbish at the tip, he would have to pay for it, so why not polluters when they dump their rubbish in the atmosphere '.

This is precisely the issue.

Tony Abbott seeks to mislead when he refers a C.P.R.S as "a big new tax on everything" because "making polluters pay via a carbon tax and credit system and therefore not the average taxpayer, is possible", by simply ensuring that polluters cannot pass the cost of dumping their waste on to the consumer, but in fact are required absorb this cost out of their own margins.

Their business models most probably have excessive or unnecessarily high margins built in already and an expectation to have an ever bigger tip as they strive to continue their business as usual plan.

The polluters case proposes the consumer pay in order they be compensated for having to modify their behaviour i.e. being required to reduce current levels of CP or not increasing levels of CP in the future.

Abbott seems to be proposing that taxpayer spend a billion dollars a year for ten years whilst effectively allowing polluters to continue without requirement or incentive to seek renewable alternative sources of power etc for their profits. In fact he proposes "a big new tax on us". Nice one Tony.

Yes, a different coloured bucket but still containing the same fowl waste. Another good example of our electoral system giving us no options but those of the ruling class.

What a dill you are Thinker, you've taken the labor bait, hook line & sinker.

To start with, any one but a fool, or fellow traveler, now knows CO2 is not "polution".

Secondly, it is a good con to get the dills believing the carbon TAX will get the "big polluter". Like Thinker, some real dills will even feel smugly proud of that.

Obviously these people have not thought this through. The big user of CO2 is them, & it's them that our mate Ruddy is about to rip off. Rip off to get out of the money trouble he has all ready got himself, & therefore us, into. Your big poluters simply pass the tax onto the end user.

Even if he didn't understand before, Ruddy must now know, after Compenhagen, that the "science" was a con, but like an arrogant fool, he's not going to admit it. He's now depending on the oposition to get him out of his mistake, by defeating the bill.

RawMustard,
what has chicken $hit got to do with it ??

"What a dill you are" Hasbeen "you swallowed the" big polluters "argument hook line and sinker." or again you show your ignorance.
You really should learn to write without the insults simply because They backfire, as this one did.

What comes out of the smokestacks is more than just CO2 there are a cornucopia of other pollutants both gasses and particulates.
Not all of them are visible either which is the usual measure.They add to the motor car exhausts too.

When you start on the environment you are well out of your depth. Next time I'm in Qld and have free time, send me your address and we'll take you out on a scientific field trip to *show* you the facts of the environment.

The govenment has NO money.
The coporations will still need to make a profit.
So just guess, go on guess who will have to pay......thats right the tax payer.
The only ones who will win with an ETS are the traders.
Yes thats right the same so and so's that gave us the GFC.