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Posted by RaeBee, Thursday, 7 January 2010 7:07:44 PM
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RaeBee,
You worked in health? With your knowledge of malaria obviously not in the tropics. Sure the odd tourist goes down with malaria in the southern climes. The Qld health department's entomologist,whose job it is to prevent or control mosquitoes, told me 12 month or so ago, that he hasn't seen an malaria out break of concern, below Cooktown since the batch in Cairns to Townsville in the 1940s. The "feared" so called called Malaysian tiger mossie is far more aggressive vector including the drug resistant malaria. This also means the introduction of other mossie borne nasties. He said the Quarantine Department testing had found both in the Torres Straight islands and could already be on the mainland. The natives from PNG river/coastal areas are coming to Australian waters to fish and seek medical help. Up untill recently the 'MT' couldn't survive the climate much below Cairns/Townsville but the possible range is increasing southwards. BTW after growing up in PNG I can confirm that CJ is right. Malaria *was* exclusively a lowland disease but now there is good research that shows the mossies range is moving up the mountains. Note PNG highlands has the 4 or 5th highest mountain in the world and several others 2 X Kosisosko. Mt Wilhelm Used to have year round snow cover over the last 4th but the snow line has retreated on average nearly 2000 feet(or so I'm told)in 40 years. That means that other peaks that did have snow no longer do. This means that malaria carrying (and other nasties diseases) mossie's range is increasing dramatically UPWARDS to new territory THIS MEANS WARMING. Posted by examinator, Saturday, 9 January 2010 10:54:35 AM
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So what does that prove examinator? That you pulled up information from somewhere that states something you think I should know or something you think proves I know nothing? There are more cases in this country of the mosquito borne diseases such as I have stated and some people have no idea where it was they contacted the disease. That is even more bewildering.
I can't be bothered with that sort of nit picking anyway, when the subject is not about mosquitoes really, it is about the Great Global Warming Con (Gravy Train) and the spin that is put out by our government and the repercussions on people in general. It looks like America, because they are experiencing such a harsh Winter, will not be able to produce enough food for themselves this coming Spring. To that end I believe climate change, if indeed it is warming, is better than climate change that could bring about the likes of what could be happening in the Northern Hemisphere i.e cooling. Both scenarios are open to debate. Climate happens. The thing is, if we have water collection at the top end in the Monsoon periods with storage and properly managed water use in this country, we will never ever not be able to grow our own food and export food to other countries. That is if the government is supportive with infrastructure and lets our primary producers produce. This country produces better food than any country in the world and yet we are not supporting the people who do it. Posted by RaeBee, Sunday, 10 January 2010 2:00:57 PM
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Col Rouge is on the ball. Inserting "socialism by stealth" into every sentence we say on the topic will indicate that we're not mindless ideologues immune to evidence.
It's a good first step, but we need a fall-back argument in case someone asks how socialism is served by Krudd's ETS, which encourages industry to maintain business as usual while shifting the costs of carbon credits on to taxpayers. Otherwise, Australians who have looked at the data, done the numbers, and thought for themselves will just conclude that Krudd is Howard in a green jacket. If ordinary Australians only look at the facts, they will never know about The Great Scientific Conspiracy that's being foisted on them through the same corrupt mechanism that gave us the internet, antibiotics, and nuclear power. In order to win the battle of ideas, we need more skeptics like RaeBee, who will claim to be healthcare professionals, then make completely erroneous statements about malaria that anyone with an internet connection can easily disprove, and then and try to defend their ignorance on the topic by claiming that facts and evidence are mere "nitpicking". Posted by Sancho, Sunday, 10 January 2010 5:24:46 PM
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Some of you can be quite rude when other people do not agree entirely with your opinions or quotes, aren't you? I don't care if you call me a sceptic I wish more people were instead of taking the word of other, so called experts, some of whom have doubtful creds.
I wasn't specifically referring to malaria in my first comment nor since then. I was saying there are more cases of mosquito borne disease in Australia. Many are unreported. Whether it is malaria or another virus, the point is moot. Viruses from mosquitoes are quite prevalent in Australia and it is recorded if you wish to look. Mosquito borne disease viruses such as Barmah Forest, Dengue River, Ross River etc are occurring in this country more often. I would point out all the top part of this country is in the tropics! Not that it matters, there have been cases of these diseases reported further south. I have a friend who has had Ross River virus and still suffers from the continuing side effects. She has not spent time in the tropics but she has been on the land. Try not to get so uptight and outright rude and don't make statements that infer I have no idea about these matters. All I am doing is stating my opinion as you do. The comments about these viruses are from personal observation. Posted by RaeBee, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 9:44:03 AM
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Raebee,
"Anopheles farauti is a major vector of malaria in Papua New Guinea, and it is presumed to be the species of greatest concern in the north of Australia. However, this ‘species’ is recognised to be a complex of closely related species, the members of which cannot be differentiated by eye, and the *capability* to transmit malaria of the different members is unknown. In southern Australia, An. annulipes has apparently been the vector where occasional cases of malaria have been contracted, but this ‘species’ is likewise a species complex and the relative capacities of the various members to transmit malaria is also unknown. Although malaria is no longer endemic in Australia, approx. 700-800 cases occur here each year in travellers infected elsewhere, and the region of northern Australia above 19oS latitude is the receptive zone for malaria transmission. Occasional cases of local transmission occur in the Torres Strait islands and rarely in northern Queensland, and vigilance is required to prevent re-establishment of the infection in some northern localities." http://medent.usyd.edu.au/fact/malaria.htm Other texts up dates to "Kettles" talk about a multitude of factors involved in the transition of Malaria. An. farauti is a far more aggressive and deeper biter An. in Australia there are several papers on related topics. Including the fact and CJ and my point that An. farauti range is increasing to once colder climes increasing indirectly because of (A)GW still stands. The 'tiger' is a concern largely because it is a key vector for other diseases. Clearly My memory of the conversation with the Qld Entomologist was flawed in that it was in 1981 Malaria was declared eradicated in Nthn Australia. Sorry. I can't relocate the research article that shows the advance (as in captures in Aust)of An. farauti and another tropical An. species known to be a prime vector . So I'll withdraw the statement until I can re-find its source. It's somewhere in my filing cabinet of researched (that might be useful, someday) facts. (I need a sensible cataloguing system. And the motivation to apply it) :-( Posted by examinator, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 12:24:45 PM
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I worked in health for more years than you have probably been alive, so I know about infectious and viral diseases. I did not get my information the way you portray, actually I got it at the coal face - interesting term that in this debate, as well as statistics.
Again I will say this, if you want to believe the AGW bulls#*t, that's okay, if you want your children and their children to live a life less than they should, that again is okay by me, that's your call, We so called denialists, a new word made up by the world travelling KRudd, are being told that all the time. So LA LA LA....