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you've nailed it Lav. the Australian Constitution's provision for men's
legislatures only is the greatest legalised discrimination of them all!
Posted by whistler, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 9:41:46 PM
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Sorry whistler, I've heard your mantra many, many times, but I've forgotten its foundation.

>> the Australian Constitution's provision for men's
legislatures only is the greatest legalised discrimination of them all!<<

When you say "the Australian Constitution's provision for men's legislatures", what exactly are you referring to?

It seems to suggest that women are constitutionally excluded somehow, when all the evidence appears to contradict that. I'm sure you've explained it before, but could you refresh my memory?

On a general note, it seems to me that we have become so accustomed to the idea that all forms of perceived discrimination should be automatically legislated against, that we fail to see the utter stupidities that it has created.

All in the name of "Human Rights".

It's a game being played by politicians and lawyers, and we are all the losers.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 26 November 2009 8:47:37 AM
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"There is nothing in the black letter law of the Constitution of Australia to say that women should
be prohibited from being elected to Parliament, yet women were prohibited from being elected to
Australia's first Parliament.

Why? ... because that was the intention of the Westminster Parliament which enacted the
Commonwealth of Australia Act 1900, a parliament which prohibited women.

The intention of those who enact legislation accompanies law.

Australia's Constitution has never been amended to overturn the intention men boss over women
which accompanied its enactment.

The Westminster Parliament enacted men's legislatures only.

The Commonwealth Franchise Act 1902 allowed women to vote and to stand for Parliament
but this did not overturn the intention men boss over women because legislation enacted
under a Constitution cannot change its intention.

Australia's Constitution provides for a Referendum to change intention.

What the Commonwealth Franchise Act 1902 did was extend male supervision of women to
the nation's legislatures."
http://2mf.net/power_and_control:_rape_and_the_Constitution.htm

moreover, the provision of a women's legislature in Australia's federal parliament is the
natural culmination of the men's legislatures provided by the nation's federation Constitution
granting women the right to vote and admission to the parliament in 1902.

a Referendum to amend the Constitution to enact legislation by agreement between a women's
legislature and a men's legislature is required to confirm the transition to gender equality.
Posted by whistler, Thursday, 26 November 2009 9:29:51 AM
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Ah examinator, re “'Mad as a Maggot on Meths Maggie'.”

To yourself, in the same spirit

“explosive as an earthworm feasting on elephant excrement”

Whistler “it ain’t ever going to happen …well it did! .... lol”

Only in your fairytale world of make-believe whistler…

Like I said… your expectation of separate legislatures will never happen…

Lie all you want, pretend the pixies will cast moonbeams on your dreams to make them real but the fact remains your aspiration has all the “legs” and get up and go of a retired Irish land mine sweeper (who detonated two mines, one with his left foot and one with his right).

Ah CJMoron.. once again proving he lacks the insight of a tic.. .i suggest you go and find a sunny spot to lay down, have a sleep, dream of chasing cats, maybe lick yourself…

Lav.. that might have been CJ who you met tied up there
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 26 November 2009 1:02:47 PM
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Thanks for the reference, whistler.

Although I am forced to concede that the logic displayed on that web site, is as impenetrable as that which you yourself present here.

Would I be right in concluding that you are the author of that piece as well? So, in the place of an explanation of the basis for your argument, you simply restate the argument.

Well, we allow our politicians to do that, so you are at least following a well-trodden path.

But it doesn't really let you of the hook, either, does it? Because the entire mantra is still unexplained.

You yourself agree (if my assumption on the authorship of the reference is correct) that there is no impediment to women joining the legislature.

Which is a good thing, because they do just that.

You seem to rest your entire case on this statement:

"[it] was the intention of the Westminster Parliament which enacted the Commonwealth of Australia Act 1900, [to establish] a parliament which prohibited women... The intention of those who enact legislation accompanies law."

You have somehow determined that an undeclared intention has an identical force to the law itself.

You do understand that that is a ridiculous and untenable position, don't you?

Your logical confusion continues with:

"Australia's Constitution has never been amended to overturn the intention"

That is not surprising, really. An intention can be neither implemented - as the existence of women representatives clearly proves - nor overturned.

It now becomes clear, why you have been forced to reduce your stance to the muddy consistency of an impenetrable and meaningless slogan.

Because when brought into to the sunlight, the entire farrago is exposed for what it is: illogical, emotional codswallop.

I'd strongly recommend a serious review of your organization's PR, whistler. Because however worthy the cause it represents, having a slogan that is so patently ridiculous quickly becomes the strongest possible disincentive for people to explore it.

I know you won't take my advice of course. But you know I'm right, and that's all that matters.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 27 November 2009 8:05:07 AM
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Pericles you asked me to explain the 'foundation' for my views on Australia's Constitution and i did so
by referring to my own writing developed in part from discussions you have read here published on a site
http://2mf.net i have acknowledged previously here is my own.

if you click the 'about us' icon you'll find me: http://2mf.net/philip.htm

i could not have given you a more honest response and yet your reply is derogatory.

if intention doesn't matter why was no woman permitted to stand for election to the first Parliament of Australia?

go read the law if you want to make a contribution about the Constitution.

since 1902 there has been no impediment to women joining Australia's men's legislatures under male
supervision in perpetuity.
Posted by whistler, Friday, 27 November 2009 10:52:30 AM
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