Adult stem cells are proving to be more useful than embryonic stem cells. In the near future all experiments will be solely on adult stem cells. So, if all you supporters of embryonic stem cell research had waited a couple of years, you wouldn't have lost your souls.

Same goes for abortion, if you had just waited for advances in imaging technology you would have seen that a child in the womb is very much alive and kickin'.

We Christians are here to guide you, don't dismiss what we say. Listen to us and you'll find peace.

"Truth"now- I will provide a point-by-point contradiction to everything you said.

-Adult Cells are proving to be more useful- um, because most research groups haven't been allowed to study embryonic stem cells, genius.
But before congratulating yourself on having a 'soul'- ask yourself- how exactly do we ensure we have a good supply of adult stem cells? We don't quite have a lot of organ donors in general. And don't waffle about "oh, but people SHOULD donate"- they don't- deal with it.
We can either take cells from already-aborted embryos instead of throwing them in the bin- or we can wallow about how not enough people are donating cells. Take your pick.

-I'm not sure what rock you've been living under but we KNOW fetuses and embryos and cytoplasts are alive- just like sperm and eggs are. Feel free to read the overwhelming amount of analysis posted in other abortion threads to acquaint yourself to the various rights and autonomy arguments, post-birth consequences, moral hypothesis and social considerations (for once) instead of whining that your "but they're alive- my God says so" is falling on deaf ears and hoping if you keep saying it enough it will somehow make things different (not all minds are as weak as that, sorry).

-"We Christians are here to guide you, don't dismiss what we say. Listen to us and you'll find peace."
So far "You Christians" (ie a minority among Christians) are giving some spectacularly lame advice creating a high likelyhood of negative social consequences ENTIRELY out of simplistic thinking.

We'll pass thanks.

Just as any country with the word "Democratic" in it is despotic, TRUTHNOW is more interested in dogma than fact.

There have been several advances in technology specific to adult stem cells, but there still far more to be learnt from embryonic stem cells. The restriction in the USA has meant that the greatest research engines in the world just have not done that much research, but it was continuing in several asian countries and Europe.

Fetuses are alive but not sentient, which is completely beside the point as the right to abortion is not about the fetus, but the rights of women to decide what to do with their bodies, free from the slavery that the religious right wind wish to impose.

As for guidance, Christians are as useful as a blind guide dog. As for your "peace", all I can say is that ignorance is bliss.

All narrow minded pidgeon holing bigots are, S&M.

I disagree Shadow Minister, Christians are even more useful than a blind dog. Because at the end of the day we love you guys whereas New Atheists like you would have us in concentration camps being forced to sing Joni Mitchell songs.

And we also put facts first -

http://www.stemcellresearch.org/commentary/answeringcommonclaims.htm

Thanks for everyone's input. Myself and all my colleagues are excited about these new developments that may be made possible as a result of Obama allowing embryonic stemcell research to go on, unhindered by religious objections.

We care for many people with Diabetes, parkinsons, paraplegia, MS, and many other diseases. These people now have more hope that something may be able to be done for them in their lifetime.

Truthnow78, these new developments were not able to be made using adult stemcells.

With the years that the Bush administration refused to give permission to US scientists to use embryonic stemcells, do you not think they would have tried very hard to get some positive results from the adult stemcells?

They had a small measure of success, but nowhere near as exciting and promising as the success since the embryonic stemcell research has been allowed.

These new ideas could be the start of ending the pain, suffering and deaths of millions of people already born.
Truthnow78, surely your God would not deny them this chance?