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You remind me of the angst of a teenager, who doesn't know what they stand for but objects to anyone who does or why.

Your criticisms are as shallow as is your reasoning. Tell us all what front-line committed effort to have you done? I think you'll find that experience count for more than naive prejudice based musings of an armchair critic like you. Where's you contribution?

BTW You weren't the target of my point. Not everyone trawls the site like you.

We all get it, you don't like the way I put things...that's YOUR problem. Why read my posts if they're so annoying?

Tell us seriously if you have the guts what DO you STAND for(not relating to anyone else) and why?

I would be interested to know. You claim you have hidden depths, do you? Put up or shut up. At least I put myself out there not playing safe games.

Thank you all for contributing your comment.

Pynchme

While I tend to agree with you many people don't realize they have a potential problem untill it's too late.
Most people are loathed to admit even to themselves they have this problem. Largely because of the stigma attached to these sort of feelings.

The guy on the telly who was proactively seeking help for his feelings for pubescent girls is a rarity and would be fearful if the public found out about his issue.

Many on OLO would react badly if he was a neighbour and they got wind of it. Even though he's done nothing but think. Let's get real, if thinking about something not socially acceptable was an actionable crime most would be in deep do do, #$#@&! politicians, bosses, some neighbours with cats etc.

This was one of the issues I attempted to raise with 'de-sexualizing' the law. The moment sex is involved hysteria takes over and rational thinking dissipates. Connect that with children and it becomes absolutely incendiary.

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You remind me of the angst of a teenager, who doesn't know what they stand for but objects to anyone who does or why.

Your criticisms are as accordingly shallow as is your reasoning. Tell us all what front-line committed effort to have you done? I think you'll find that experience count for more than naive prejudice based musings of an armchair critic like you. Where's you contribution?

BTW You weren't the target of my point. Not everyone trawls the site like you.

We all get it, you don't like the way I put things...that's YOUR problem. Why read my posts if they're so annoying?

Tell us seriously if you have the guts what DO you STAND for(not relating to anyone else) and why? I would be interested to know. You claim you have hidden depths, do you? Put up or shut up. At least I put myself out there not playing safe games.

Pynchme,

Your attitude really surprises me. So by that reasoning if a 14yo boy has sex with a 12yo girl, maybe you don't see him as an abusive rapist abusing his power? If so at what age do men turn into abusive rapists?

pontificator,

I'll give you a big hug if you want?

Sounds like I have really hit close to the bone. Oh Hyacinth, we love you even if you like to talk about yourself so.

'who doesn't know what they stand for but objects to anyone who does or why. '
Or why? I don't 'stand for' anything. Actually I stand for humility and self-effacement and not looking down your nose at people. Which is why you annoy me. What do you 'stand for'?

'Tell us all what front-line committed effort to have you done?'
to have I done? I wouldn't grandstand like that. Jesus says when you do good deeds and give to charity and the like, you should do it discreetly. You may like to put yourself up as 'better' than the other posters like you did on the Kyle and Jackie O thread, but I think it's unseemly. That's what I 'stand for'.

'You claim you have hidden depths, do you?'
Do I? I thought I was 'shallow'. Well that's what everyone keeps saying. My general response is that nobody knows much about anyone on here. I like to pull you up on your big noting yourself and reflect your high horse attitudes back to you. That it upsets you so much confirms to me that there is a lot of truth in what I say.

BTW: A lot of what you have written on kids and sex really seems a bit creepy to me. Now obviously that confirms your reasoning in your last post, but I fear more and more for those kids you counsel.You just seem a little too interested in this kind of thing. I hope if you have any of these 'thought's' you get some help and stay away from counselling young people.

Houellebecq:<So by that reasoning if a 14yo boy has sex with a 12yo girl, maybe you don't see him as an abusive rapist abusing his power? If so at what age do men turn into abusive rapists?">

Wtf are you smoking?

I was talking about older women abusing their power, as adults, over male children. Where did a couple of youngsters come into it?

Btw - if both people are under the age of consent and there is no more than 2 years between them; it might not be the subject of charged of rape. Different factors come into play.

What we are talking about here is ADULTS foisting their revolting attentions on youngsters and taking away the youngster's choices in the process.

Btw: Your rant against 'Zam shows you as a small; small person - throwing out grubby inferences like that against his character while at the same time running around yourself as a champion of exploitation.

What a nasty little dweeb you are.

pynchme,

Since when have I ever run around as a champion of anything. pontificator says I stand for nothing. Anyway I was abused by a counsellor with the same demeanor as pontificator and I think abuse is always swept under the carpet because of attitudes like yours enabling it. People often 'cry for help', and this guy is a counsellor, with access to young people, bemoaning the fact that people people lynch people with these 'thoughts'.

'Many on OLO would react badly if he was a neighbour and they got wind of it. Even though he's done nothing but think. Let's get real, if thinking about something not socially acceptable was an actionable crime most would be in deep do do, #$#@&! politicians, bosses, some neighbours with cats etc.

This was one of the issues I attempted to raise with 'de-sexualizing' the law. The moment sex is involved hysteria takes over and rational thinking dissipates. Connect that with children and it becomes absolutely incendiary.'

That could very easily be a self-justification. All I have done is query him and encourage him to get help if that is the case.

Anyway, you didn't answer my question. At what age do these 2 year difference in teens turn into a classic misogynist abusive male and a helpless virginal innocent female?

15yo boy and 12yo girl? What about a 15yo girl and a 12yo boy? What about an 18 you man and a 15 yo girl? What about an 18yo woman and a 15yo boy? Tell me at what ages the sex is acceptable to you? Both ways around.

This makes me cranky and sick - never mind the completely nonchalant expression on this child sex abuser's face:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/female-teacher-admits-sex-with-students-20091117-ijj0.html

What if she's given those youngsters herpes or worse?
What if she'd become pregnant?
What about the fact that some girls won't want anything to do with them?
What if either of the young fellows had been considering a commitment to the priesthood or something like that.
What if this woman has distributed pics of them?

This makes me FURIOUS and utterly dismayed. Both should be in gaol and personally I believe that people like this should be prevented from having any more children. Perhaps they could be given some sort of reversible procedure or be administered slow acting prophylactics.
Poor little kid. I hope somehow he has it within him to overcome the effects of what has happened to him.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/parents-accused-of-posting-sex-assaults-with-son-9-online-20091117-ij7a.html

I can't believe that the boy's father still has the temerity to expect to have contact with his son. Despicable.

Those are the sorts of things we're talking about Houellebecq.

An 18 year old, if nobody has raised the possibility with them that it really is ok to delay gratification and not bonk everything just because their penis says so; should be doing so with someone in their own age group. However, as I understand it (and have observed), if a parent permits it, a 16 yr old can form a relationship (even marry I think) someone who is 18.

If both are under 18 - that isn't an adult exploiting a child. I don't think the law pulls out all stops as long as there is no more than two years between participants and there is no claim of rape or abuse. Personally I think it would be wise to discourage a young bloke from having sex with someone under age, irrespective of what the law or parents allow.

Btw: I don't see why there need be all this urgency to have sex. No reason why young people - all people - can't contain themselves a bit and make more thoughtful and considered choices.