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Immigration - How much is too many? Or too few?

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What will people do?

In the past large scale immigration was tied to industrialisation, manufacturing, gold rushes, agriculture. Now we have mining. There is a business that is moving offshore because all the compliance costs like putting in disabled toilets and ramps when they had no disabled workers, priced them out of the Australian market.

We basically have Dutch Disease.

They say the remedy is to defer profit from the boom industry so that costs and impact are steadier allowing other types of business to remain viable.

I do not see this happening. In fact I think many would have a better future if they emmigrated.
Posted by TheMissus, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 7:51:11 AM
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Agree Bazz (stop private developers making housing development applications).

Agree Yabby- countering Vatican/etc anti-contraception message.

The ONLY way to stop world overpopulation is to provide contraceptive and abortion access and remove the stigma of using either in all countries around the world. Simply transporting the excesses to other countries puts unfair burden on the countries that actually did manage their populations responsibly- and really undermines their efforts entirely. Meanwhile, back home, there is now a standard that if you have LOTS of kids some of them will get a shot at being adopted by another country.
Nice plan csteele.
And I like how you insist "We Australians believe" type mantra- how about asking first?
Posted by King Hazza, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 8:25:17 AM
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"Ludwig what policy was Steven referring too in your post?"

Xammy, I take it that he was referring to the 'policy' of large-scale immigration and a 'big Australia'.

"Might I suggest that the Liberal party are pro big business..."

Absolutely they are. But there is one thing that is a tad more important to them and that is winning power! They really don't have a hope in hell...even if Krudd continues to decline in the opinion polls...of winning power at the next election....unless they do something really different.

It is very clear to me what they need to do. And if they do it properly, they can sell it as being big-business-friendly. Afterall, if we continue to operate our whole society in a grossly unsustainable manner, big biz will lose out big time, along with the rest of us!

Sensible business enterprises of all sorts should be able to jump on the sustainability bandwagon and really benefit, while the dinosaur expansion-at-all-costs advocates fall by the wayside.

That's the sort of thing that the Libs need to do - sell sustainability as being economically sensible and business-friendly....which would be totally in line with their basic philosophies and principles, wouldn't it?

It seems like an impossible task, with Turnbull currently being seen as too green for the Libs!! Dear o dear, they really are a bunch of old rednecks! But I'm not gunna give up hope! ( :>|

"Stopping immigration now would not solve anything only open Pandora's box of other issues"

Firstly, who wants to stop immigration? I want net zero. That would still be in the order of 25 000 to 35 000 per annum.

What 'Pandora's box of other issues' would net zero immigration open up?
Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 9:39:07 AM
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Csteele;
You asked for some examples. I am not sure what you are refering to.
Perhaps the first post, rather than the second.
We are in line for problems with fuel supply.
It is believed that no new coal fired power stations will be built.
Water is becoming an increasing problem in most cities.

These are obvious limiting factors on our population.

Fuel supply:
It has just come to light that the OECD's International Energy
Authority was pressured by the US government to de-emphasise the
closeness of oil supply difficulties.

http://www.energybulletin.net/50662

You don't get a much better authoritative source than that !
At the bottom Prof Kjell Aleklett mentions that the IPCC ignores the
information, so the IPCC's CO2 projections are in error for oil.
Food production is very oil intensive, from farm to your plate.

Coal:
Renewables cannot match the requirement, at least for several decades.
At present demand increase rates can we guarantee supply, perhaps not.
If we shut down coal fired power stations or put them out of business
financially then there will be long blackouts.
Will gas fired stations make up the difference ? Perhaps.

Water:
Adelaide, Sydney and Melbourne have all had water restrictions in
very recent times. We still do.
We must plan on the basis that we do not have enough water now.
Therefore very large desalination plants will be needed.
It will be an insurance policy against having to move
Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney.
Fanciful ?
Hmmm what would you do if you turn the tap on and nothing came out ?

Are these the examples you asked for Z
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 11:26:56 AM
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Bazz: http://www.energybulletin.net/50662

Geezz, it didn't take you long to notice that. That Guardian article has only been up for a day.

Explains a bit, doesn't it?
Posted by rstuart, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 11:37:13 AM
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I don't think that we have to worry too much about contraception and
the policies of the church etc.
Food shortages are appearing already and will get very much worse.
Malnutrition is probably the most effective contraception of all.

Aside from any effects of global warming, much sooner will be the fall
in food production caused by increasing fuel prices.
Price increases will flow into fertiliser prices, so that farmers
everywhere will cut back the amount they use.
This will reduce yields. Diesel prices for farm machinery and for
food transport will increase as will the market price of food everywhere.
The poor will suffer first as you and I outbid them for breakfast.

We could easily be flat out feeding ourselves, so get digging.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 11:44:34 AM
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