Personally Banjo we WOULD sooner see different results if we woke up and voted for a different party, than hope Liberal and Labor (and Nationals and the Democrats) would suddenly grow a conscience beyond their hip pocket and lobbyists.

But sadly that seems EXACTLY the plan everyone seems to be hoping for- hope that one of the major parties 'magically' turns into a bunch of nice people so we can vote for them.

Bronwyn

You might read the new OLO article by Joseph Chamie, former former director of the United Nations Population Division that confirms what I wrote:

Chamie: "In addition, powerful interest groups, such as business communities, political elites, ethnic associations and labour-exporting nations, actively lobby and pressure governments for policies that promote immigration and advance legalisation or amnesty for illegal aliens.

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The benefits derived from these pro-immigration lobbying efforts are considerable for these various groups. ....Government officials and political elites gain from promises of political backing and campaign financing, enhanced overseas influence, greater numbers of supportive voters, prospects of increased tax revenues as well as a larger pool of potential recruits for the military. Ethnic associations also gain with additional members reinforcing their culture, adding to their coffers and strengthening their political and voting clout."

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=9611

Ludwig, "Bob Brown is getting a fair bit of media about his opposition to Rudd's manic growthism. Of course he and the Greens should have been doing this years ago, but at least they have finally seen the light...or the dark future that massive population growth threatens to bring upon us."

That is just the usual Bob Brown political opportunism and grandstanding - all B.S. - which is NOT reflected in the policies, general and rubbery as they are, of the Greens. Brown is like a weather cock, spinning this way and that.

Cornflower, Bronwyn et al

Remember me?
I'm the one that constantly points out that the parties do what corporation do....they look after their interests first.

As Prof Lawrence pointed out in a recent ABC fora debate.
Democracy ceases in Australia one we vote untill the next election.
This as pointed out by Bronwyn it's 'the golden rule' 'the group that has the gold rules". Democracy ceases once we vote untill the next election.

One wonders therefore why the seeming surprise?

Of course Rudd isn't a super man but neither is Turnbull(or who ever).
Again party comes first.Most elections are in reality a choice between Tweedle compromised and Tweedle more compromised. Its the baggage that bothers me about the Libs.

Neither party nor the Greens (sorry CJ)will run a divisive policy like population control if they hope to be in power. the emotions of the conservatives and generations of religious culture would be too accessible to big business. Who want need unlimited consumption.Which is portrayed as more people= more consumption = prosperity.

In reality this is BS the missing factor is "surplus" without which we simple use more and more resources to stay stationary financially. interest, inflation etc to understand this in context I recommend you watch (http://www.chrismartenson.com)the best quick and easy (no economics knowledge needed) description of how economics works I've ever seen.

The scariest thing he shows is the link between our money system and exponential population growth not just here but WW. He rightly and graphically shows how business as we know it is drive us into a hole we may never get out of (or survive to be dramatic) [my emphasis].

Due to the magic pudding syndrome (ever increasing consumption of energy and resources in a finite world). It boils down to we are living on debt, anyway look at the site and watch the lessons they run from a few minutes to 12 minutes each

Cornflower: << That is just the usual Bob Brown political opportunism and grandstanding - all B.S. - which is NOT reflected in the policies, general and rubbery as they are, of the Greens. Brown is like a weather cock, spinning this way and that. >>

That's just untrue, Cornflower. You've never actually looked at the Greens' policies, have you?

Bob Brown's far from perfect, but he's distinguished among Australian politicians for his courage and consistency over time, among other virtues.

That was just an ignorant anti-Green spray, wasn't it? I hope it made you feel better.

C J Morgan

Well yes as a matter of fact I did look at the Greens site prior.

Now what about you show everyone the specific references in the Greens policy to support your contention it is "the only mainstream political party to advocate a sustainable population for Australia is of course the Greens."

Since you are the expert on Greens policy, What exactly do the Greens propose to do to achieve that 'goal'? Fact is, there is no chance they will countenance any wind back on immigration at all is there?

It is all waffle and hot air, right?