Australia's population should be reduced, not increased.

Even in the current drought conditions, and even with the threat of climate change, people are still streaming in at the blatant instigation of our idiot politicians who want more votes and more business for their rich mates.

If Wayne Smith would like to organise a revolution, population is one area to kick off on. Trouble is, the average Australian is too bone-headed and lazy to get involved.

The international economic system is based on constant growth in production – and that requires an increase ofconsumers, because without growth there can be no profits; and we all want to make a profit. The flaw in this model is that we live on a planet of finite dimensions, with finite reserves of everything we need in order to survive. Therefore, a time will come when there isn’t enough to go around and wars will be the solution. Water wars, land wars, food wars…
It’s the way humans have always operated. No human society has ever planned ahead in any meaningful way – they’ve always lurched from crisis to crisis – as we are doing now. We’re just cunning animals – not much cleverer than hens – and you wouldn’t expect them to plan ahead; would you? For every human who can see danger looming, there are a thousand who can’t, so eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die

"The international economic system is based on constant growth in production – and that requires an increase ofconsumers, because without growth there can be no profits"

Where did you get this from? It is not reliant on constant growth, or based on it.

Australia is in dire need of a population policy, so that we know where we are heading. It is ludicrus to keep importing 100,000+ people every year without any sort of a plan. It is now obvious we are not keeping pace with the required infestructure.

Those advocating high population need to prove this can be done without affecting our living standard, and I don't believe they can do this.

Big business wants high migration because it garantees a growth in consumer goods sales. This is why they give so generously to both major parties and the major parties appease them.

The first thing that should be dropped is the baby bonus.

Big business does not care if it costs more and takes longer for you to get to and from work, whether emergency services work, long queues getting longer, the price of food or any other aspect that effects our living standard. Their sole motive is to sell more goods to consumers.

It is past time that we sat back and looked closely at what is best for Australia and its people. Think about what sort of a life we want for our children and Grandchildren.

Just before his demise, Kim Beazley was saying some pretty interesting things which reflected comments that I had put on this forum urging Labor to address sustainability issues and really be seen to be different to the Libs. He seemed to be initiating a change in the right direction.

Now I’d love to think that KevtheRuddygoodbloke will continue with this momentum.

The momentum I refer to is basically the placement of genuine sustainability right at the core of our society, and the gearing of the economy and everything else to it. Of course this means weaning ourselves off the absurdity of continuous growth.

We DESPERATELY need a Federal government that actually strives for a steady state population, a fosters genuine per-capita economic growth by separating the good technological-advance and improving-efficiency side of growth from the bad continuous-expansion component.

Support is welling up in the general community, and would probably be sufficient now to win a well organized sustainability-oriented major party power at the next election, or the one after.

The Greens and Democrats have been dead losses when it comes to real environmentalism. The only real hope is Labor.

We should start with the message that one of the most fundamental purposes of government is to protect our future and to effectively mitigate the many and varied forces that threaten to severely degrade it. If a government fails to strive for this, then they should be hounded out of office and never forgiven.

Come on Kevin. As a highly principled Catholic, you cannot possibly tow a line that is in any way similar to that of Howard. Set Labor up as a highly distinct alternative, with genuine sustainability at its foundation.

The problem of Australia's over-population will never be solved. Immigration will cease only when Australia is reduced to a desert, and people will no longer wish to come here.

Why? Because the only two groups of goons able to form a government are both big immigrationists. I don't know why Ludwig wants Rudd (if elected) to carry on with Beazley's mumblings. Beazley often said, proudly, that he was a big immigrationist!