Bronwyn, I'd not picked up on the original.

My gut feel on people staying together for the sake of the kids is that all to often the kids will be growing up in a home where the parents resent each other with the snipping and lack of warmth that goes with that. That few adults are adult enough to change habit's values etc while still in the situation to make whatever created the problem go away.

Staying for the kids is possibly better than worst case scenarios of single parent homes but worst than a lot of the other scenario's.

I was a stayer but in retrospect I think my son is getting a much better environment to grow in now than he had when my ex and I were together, my ex has remarried and from the outside that seems to be going well. I'm in a long term relationship and it's fantastic, a whole different world to the environment in the home when my son was young.

R0bert

*yet your brain does not seem as open to other peoples ideas or experiences, particularly females?*

Suze, if that was the case, I would not be reading and quoting stuff
by neuroscientists such as Susan Greenfield or Candace Pert, or
Sue Carter, plus others.

Antonious quoted Steve Hein as an authority on the subject, which
he clearly is not. He simply has an opinion and a website.

Now finally to the dog. Quite a few years ago I bought a pup from
a drover, which turned out to be the best sheepdog I've ever owned,
even though she was the runt of the litter. From 6 weeks old, this
kiddo just had it!

I intended to keep her entire for having another litter in some years time,
to keep her genes going for another generation. So the plan would
have been to find her an err eligible boyfriend, who is equally
talented.

Things did not work out that way, when a new dog in the neighbourhood
travelled a few km for a visit and my female snuck out at 5am, as
girls do when on heat :)

8 pups landed up being far too much for mom and the pups, all fighting
at a couple of days old already. So I removed two of the 8 and
chopped their heads off with an axe, all pretty straightforward and
sensible. At two days old they are the size of a large mouse and
still blind.

The other 6 pups went to homes, bar one which is still here annoying
her mother lol.

All quite rational and sensible, but beyond a geriatric like dickie

Fractelle,

'You, Yabby and many other men judge women by their appearance. You have demonstrated this by implying that I would 'appear' too old for my partner.'

Nup. Comprehension isn't your strong point is it. I give up. Sorry, you're just too thick.

You guys are all nuts,

'Oh yes – your propensity to chop up little puppies Yabby.'

'yet your brain does not seem as open to other peoples ideas or experiences, particularly females?'

'The initiated on this forum will know that historically, Yabby has spent the majority of his OLO time bickering with women. Regardless of the topic he’s an expert and rest assured he'll have the last say on this thread.

Given that our resident hillbilly is a childless, abandoned sad sack, whose wife escaped some thirty years ago (“couldn’t cope with rural life” – ahem!) it’s astonishing that he views himself as an expert on the sex life of women.'

Jesus man, what has the guy done but express his opinion. Talk about bullying...:-)

You all have your opinion, he has his. He no more puts himself up as an expert than you lot.

Houellebecq
You are a sensitive and mature person and I ask you to see whatb realy yabby has done.
He read one-two books about hormones or brain, mind etc and every time he uses this knoledges to fight his opponents. He appointed him self a specialist neuro-psyxologist and instead to write about the debate, instead to tell his personal opinion about other's coments, opinions he try to make analysis of mental or brain conditions of the writer and for them every one who desagree with him has brain problems, he makes details stupid analysis and every one who agree with him is a smart logical non sick person.
This kind of behavior is provocative unexaptable.
Sir if you want to speak for brain functions do it in a special thread about it, if you want to make analysis of the mental or brain conditions of the writers do it but shut up your mouth, keep it for your self, every one makes analysis for the personality of the writer, I am one of the best on it, I do not care what one writes but what is his/her character, personality, values etc and I am very happy with you because you have a very nice character and you know what I think about it,
Yabby should stop immediatly his sick brain analysis, stop his attacks on very personal issues for any poster and express his opinion about what the posters write, not their brain functions or their mental conditions.
If we want to learn it we can visit a doctor or we can read the books as he did.
He can not convert any discussion to brain analysis or humutiate any posters with stupit brain analysis.
Do you understand my friend, every poster deserve respect and good threatment, including Yabby.
Sorry yabby I am hard to you because you passed the expected red lines in your brain or emution analysis, stop this story!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Yabby

I’m so pleased I was able to assist where you merely had to parrot the information that this hormonally depleted, “geriatric raving lunatic” provided.

Permit me to parrot yours: “ Blokes screw these girls for the sheer fun of it, natural instincts satisfied.” And: “ If a bloke agrees to a bit of casual sex, he's agreeing to exactly that, not to marriage or fatherhood, or paying bills for life.”

I have a sneaking suspicion that your nonsense about visits to the knockers could be a figment of your imagination Yabby. I mean let’s face it, hookers don’t come cheap these days and you’re not known for a propensity to pay your way. Rather you prefer to make a fast buck no matter how sordid the details.

Which reminds me of your assertion that homo sapiens are merely animals (some more than others) and speaking of animals, let’s go back to the farm and observe the hapless dogs under your control, “screw(ing) for the sheer fun of it.”

Costs to eradicate the plague of wild dogs and hybrid dingoes, breeding out of control in rural Australia, is in the vicinity of tens of millions of dollars annually – to no avail.

In the meantime, you, the supreme leader of the “Hypocrites and Hillbillies Collective” have dogs on heat on your rural property running amok and mating at random:

“and my female snuck out at 5am, as girls do when on heat."

“Strange that the farm dogs around here are seldom sterilised……….” (Yabby – November 2008)

Miserly cheapskate eco-vandals never pay for anything, do they Yabby, no matter the consequences. Again I shall witness your feeble endeavors to put lipstick on a pig but alas, Yabby,..... it’ll still be a pig!

Thanks RObert. I'm glad it's working out for you and your boy. You sound to me like you'd be a great Dad.

I won't expand on my ideas any further here - it's just not the place for it! But I'm sure we'll touch on these issues again some other time.

:)