Peter - I think you and I might have differing opinions as to what defines a Christian. And going to church is NOT a definition. I have sat in churches with people that walk out the door backstabbing a friend to the rest of the congregation. I have been in so-called Christian ministers' home, who have done the same and worse. Use prayer to manipulate, create doubt about others through the "unsaid" concerns and "worried" faces, etc.

There have been more people hurt by the ungodly INSIDE a church than out of it from my observations. After all satan also knelt in the courts of God.

I see nothing Godly about Kevvy, or Keating's cabinet for that matter.

But that doesn't mean Almighty God can't still use them in some way.

It is the "fruits of their tree" that shows what they're heart is really like, and Ruddy's fruit for all private land-owners is very sour and full of canker.

Miranda Devine attended a Book Launch with Tony Abbot and Malcolm Turnbull and wrote a report in the SMH here.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-remaking-of-the-mad-monk-20090729-e1ip.html

She reports two interesting facts. Both are Roman Catholic and both are lawyers. It was a fact of American Political Life, that being a Roman Catholic was enough to stop a person being elected President of that country, until John Fitzgerald Kennedy was elected, after 160 or more years.

However the conjunction of lawyer Roman Catholic should not diminish their intelligence, and no one suspects that is the case, but these two leaders have one thing in common further than their lawyer/Roman Catholic credentials, they are both Liberals, and languishing at the very bottom of the Polls, in fact any lower and they are pathetic.

The Liberal Party took the Christian vote for granted in 2007. John Howard at best made a halfhearted appeal to 200,000 Protestant Christians on the same night Kevin Rudd made an impassioned plea to give the Labor Party a chance to be a good Christian government. Rudd easily won the contest, and the election, and looks like doing so again.

If these two will only obey the law, and insist their fellow .25% of lawyers do so, then it could be that the turn around in their fortunes could be astronomical. At the moment we have an atheist government in every State and Territory including the Commonwealth, and I would suspect that the 65% of Australians who claim Christianity are uneasy about that.

Kevin Rudd makes a big thing of attending Church not only here but wherever in the world he is, and he has much to be thankful for. Aside from Miranda Devine, and the appellation of Tony Abbott as the Mad Monk, very little is written about Christianity and politics. A Queensland man has produced an audio on the Constitution, that claims it is a Christian Document. You may listen to it here.

http://www.community-law.info/?page_id=477

The Liberals could hardly be doing worse than they are now. The Lawyers/Liberal Party should obey the Constitution itself, and start making the Government face its Christian obligations

It used to be in my family that Labor meant Bad and Liberal meant Good, and if you cut my wrist the blood that would come out would be Liberal Blue. This ended when I started to study law, and realized the enormity of the fraud foisted upon a hapless Australian population by an increasingly arrogant and out of touch Liberal Party.

The Annotated Quick and Garran Australian Constitution that Senator Harris used to cause such consternation in the Senate with, by quoting from it, says nothing at all about s 79 Constitution. In 1900 there was nothing to be said. Everyone knew that jury trial was a right, that a Court of Judicature was a Justice with a jury, and the heading on Ch III Constitution was The Judicature.

The Labor Party in Queensland took a leaf out of the Liberal Book, in 1991 and made a single man or woman a Judge, and when the people complained enacted the Supreme Court Act 1995, that should have repealed it, without repealing it. It has this section in it, and it should be conclusive because it comes out of the Judicature Act 1976 (Q) an Act in place in 1900, safely tucked into the Australian Constitution, in S 118. It says and it is worth repeating:

SUPREME COURT ACT 1995 - SECT 259
259 Duty of judge and jury
(1) It shall be the duty of a jury to answer any question of fact that may be left to them by the presiding judge at the trial.
(2) But nothing herein or in any rule of court contained shall take away or prejudice the right of any party to any action to have the questions submitted and left by the judge to the jury with a proper and complete direction to the jury upon the law and as to the evidence applicable to such questions.

If the Liberal Party is the party of lawyers, it should take the cudgels to Labor and insist they obey the law in every State and Territory. We are one country, and One Nation

It is ironic that the mastermind of the downfall of One Nation, as a Political Party with clout, Tony Abbott should now be in opposition and facing three terms of Labor Government, unless he has an epiphany experience. He will know of the experience of St Paul on the road to Damascus, and the 180 degree turnaround in St Paul’s life, when he decided to throw his lot in with Jesus Christ.

The Liberal Party still has a lot of goodwill, and could swiftly cash in on it, if it embraces the fundamental philosophy that underlies the Australian Constitution. The only difference between the New South Wales Labor Party wallowing in the dumps at bugger all support, with even its true blue supporters like Belly, writing them off, is that Rudd claims to be a Christian. He goes to church, he loves his wife, he has a family, and is doing all the right things, while the Liberal party embraced atheism, and legislated to make it the State Religion.

When Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, the donkey was simply doing its job, and could hardly have known the crucifixion would follow soon after. If Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull want to emulate the triumphant entry into Jerusalem by Jesus Christ, they should emulate him, and realize that hitching their wagon to Jesus Christ will change their fortunes. Kevin Rudd realized that, and the result was astounding.

Abbott in particular should know all the scriptures that say Jesus Christ will be the Government, starting in Genesis 49:10, continuing through Isaiah 9 verse 6, and culminating in the Coronation Oath 1688 ( Imp), where the Gospels are incorporated into the Constitution. They may be Roman Catholic but they should realize the Scriptures are the key to the Lodge. Jesus Christ inspired the Anglican Catholics to put Rome in its place. Australian Catholics should realize that the important part is Christianity, not sectarianism.

The ironic thing is that Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull could save Nathan Rees, by turning the tables on Rudd by campaigning as true Christians