Sock-puppet:"You dislike women who - - - -

BELIEVE IN SELF DETERMINATION AND GENDER EQUALITY."

Hysterical much, lovey?

As it happens, you're not merely hysterical, you're completely wrong.

Feminism as it is done today is not about either "SELF DETERMINATION"(sic) or "GENDER EQUALITY"(sic). It is about subsidies and the preferment of women, regardless of the merits of their claim.

If a few of the entitlement junkies such as yourself were actually interested in "SELF DETERMINATION"(sic) instead of handouts there would be more "GENDER EQUALITY" (sic) and fewer useless mouths sucking at the public teat.

In other words, socky, I'd like to see a great deal more "SELF DETERMINATION" (sic) and "GENDER EQUALITY"(sic).

Now off you trot and see if the latest grant cheque has arrived from the Office for Women, socky.

You could also tell us again how "TWO CHILDREN WERE KILLED"(sic) by a fireworks explosion either next door to your place or 50 miles away either near Menindee or near Broken Hill and no investigation took place and how this was common practise in 1953. You know you want to...

I invite anyone and everyone to peruse this entire thread, and others, and observe this simple fact:
The PC mob, master, cjm etc, do NOT discuss issues, they abuse and denigrate anyone who has a different, non-PC, point of view.
This means it’s virtually impossible to have an intelligent OBJECTIVE exchange of opinions.
I now invite all and sundry to observe the name of this site: Online OPINION.
Opinion, people, opinion, think what that means, and whether that is possible here.
Apparently not, not without being attacked and ridiculed, very mature behaviour, NOT.
Until or unless the mods here rein in these intellectual bullies, allow others to have their say in peace, this site will die. I’ve already noticed a marked reduction in posters and threads, and this will continue unabated.
No reasoning, no points of view exchanged, no attempt to engage and share, just endless sneering, abuse, denial of the right to express an opinion. They consistently and deliberately mis-interpret others words, picking on individual words and phrases, and claiming this is what was actually meant, avoiding the intent of the post.
I particularly dislike the way they tell everyone what they are, who they are, what they think, despite knowing nothing about them. They ignore anything to the contrary, howling down any attempt to actually discuss things. They answer no questions, offer no insights into the subject, just endlessly play “thought police”.
Typical bullies, no intelligent responses or abilities, just “right thinking” aggression, most unattractive, and counter-productive.
George Orwell would love them!
This site has become a waste of time.

Max, I'm betting you are just embarrassed because you posted a google site history word search and posted it as a 'death statistic'. I can understand why you don't like statistics if you think that's the way it's done.

As for the 'bullying' etc.... welcome to the internet. It only hurts (or matters) if it's true.

Maybe you could look up the causes of death statistics at the ABS? There's a nice breakdown by state and by individual category of death:

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/3303.02007?OpenDocument

Fireworks has it's own category (W39). While it's a relatively rare cause of death (possibly because of the bans), you can see 5 people died from fireworks in QLD in 2000 and some others in at least one other state, and this is only between 1998-2007. People do die and get injured from fireworks, and they are preventable.

There are also some bushfire and property damage statistics that have fireworks as an attributable cause but I won't bother posting them, because I know how how you feel about statistics.

No Bugs, not at all.
I am human, I was in a hurry, I mis-read it, so what? Look at the page, it’s an easy mistake to make. I have no problems with admitting fallibility.
Not all sites are infested with bullies, I am on others where objective interchange is a regular feature, where people with different opinions discuss them without “playing the man”, it’s called rational, adult, civilised behaviour, and it’s sadly lacking here.
If anyone new starts this sort of disgusting personal attacks, they are suspended and warned, a second event is automatic banning, and it works well, over 200 regular contributors, and the discussions are varied and entertaining.
Compare that to this farce!
I’ve never denied the dangers of fireworks, merely the exaggerations around,(aka: Masters “dead children”, a tall tale if ever I heard one!), and the way those were used by the “fun police” to deny everyone a great night.
Your right though, stats are meaningless, unless they are simple lists of actual numbers, raw data, once they start “sampling”, and “extrapolating” etc, it get’s murky, and unreliable.

Maximillion

‘I invite anyone and everyone to peruse this entire thread, and others, and observe this simple fact:
The PC mob, master, cjm etc, do NOT discuss issues, they abuse and denigrate anyone who has a different, non-PC, point of view.’

In fact, I’ve been perusing this thread after a busy period away from OLO. Unfortunately, you shoot your own sanctimonious argument in the foot by choosing to leave off your list one of the most abusive posters that OLO has ever had to deal with (in my opinion, THE most).

And I have no doubt that you chose to leave the nameless poster off the list because he occupies a similar philosophical space to yours (i.e. sloppy libertarian nostalgia for a boys-own age of freedom and adventure that never existed).

In fact, you excelled yourself in the art of ‘abuse’ and ‘denigrating’ in a post to me about feminism on the RSL thread – in fact, I was too disgusted to even give you the dignity of a reply. At least, a couple of others (CJ and Fractelle if I recall) spoke up on behalf of my TRUE arguments, not the grotesque distortions you had made of them.

Master

For the record, my mother often told of a 4-year-old child she knew growing up in Cairns, who was killed during a cracker night celebration gone badly wrong – and this probably doesn’t show up on Google either.

Bugsy, I think the data has some glitches. For example, I went to

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/1A5E692C176131ECCA25757C0013614D/$File/3303.0_13%20causes%20of%20death%20by%20year%20of%20occurrence.xls

which is all causes of death by year of occurrence - an excel file.

For the year 2000, the data says that 1 "male" and 4 "females" died as a result of a firework discharge, but totals that to 2 "persons". In 2002 it says 4 "males" and no females adds up to 1 "person".

Now, I don't know about you, but that does make me a tad less willing to take it as authoritative.

I'd also suggest that what deaths may have occurred were due to malfunctioning in large commercial installations and involved explosive quantities far in excess of anything involved in consumer fireworks.

Having said all that, I am comfortable with explosives, even crackers, being kept under control. I do miss being able to set them off myself though...

SJF, I don't ever initiate attcks on anyone. Every single poster who I may have taken on has been first in. Let's not forget that you're the poster who told me that I was a bully because I asked questions.

You and a few others here actively try to stifle discussion about anything pertaining to feminism and the entitlement industries. You have gone so far as to tell people not to discuss things when the conversation started drifting in a direction you didn't like.