there is a dog locked in/adjoining my window,..it was..part of a large/family..[but their kids have grown up,..and now it spends its days[and nights]..making mournfull cries/moans..crying for attenttion]

animals give people pleasure..[most people]..this beast is suffereing more than i,..for selfish reasons..i could claim it better off dead..[but the beast is suffereing..more than i..[i see that there is the selfish/ness..in those who would murder beasts...

the title puts up..LETS START..by..eliminating pets..[meaning killing pets..is only the beginning of the elimination's]..thus clearly is a eugenists adgenda..revealed

[on the jaws..that would muder..aspect]..i submit i have the unique problem of a resqued rainbow/pariquete..[we found squawking behind the house..nakid and covered in ants..but succesfully raised into a tame bird..[loney..of course..but alive]

one night i heard it utter a strange squawrk..and went in to see a carpet/snake had it..in its jaws/was proceeding to crush the life out of it..[as the smake had its body half in the gage...but importantly still hanging half out..i grabbed a hold of its tail and yanked it cage and all and tried to shake it out of the cage

it had little choice but to let fo the bird,..and with a few more shakes came out of the cage...anyhow..to cut a long story short i then faced the choice of murder..or release

i bagged the beast and released the beast in the bush..[about 2 k from home]..but a snake-[moult]skin indicates its back..i sighted the snake moulted skin..a few days ago..yet there is still not murder in my heart..[i trust the new/cage is snake-proof]

i think we are missing..that this realm belongs to the snake's..[it can only do..as a snake does..but we humans are not beasts..we make a concious choice..to do good..[or follow the naTURE OF THE BEAST,

we are one step from the eternal/heaven..[if we get over our beastly nature's,..till then we recycle back..into this realm/..of the beasts[some hope to realise it/this into hell]..killing dont fix the problem...[just moves it on the a future problem

[first begin with the beasts..next the old and sick..what..[next the bloggers,;..talkers/thinkers dreamers..why not begin with eugenisists/..those who talk of murder

OUG, I didn’t notice anyone advocating wholesale slaughter, nor a eugenics program.
I say, cease breeding, sterilize them all, and let natural attrition do the job.
That way, no-one has to lose “Little Fluffy” or give up “Butch”.
Why look at the extremes of the case?
Yes, pets do a wonderful job for our psyche, and provide companionship for the lonely or infirm, not to mention the children, yet there are alternatives to the predators we keep, Australian ones, that will need less and work just as well.
Don’t get me started on horses, I’d like to see them removed from Oz totally, along with camels, donkeys, goats etc. I for one don’t give a rat’s posterior about the racing industry, it would be no loss, nor the dog-racing, end the whole trap! They are hardly “working animals” anymore, are they?
Oh, and "eliminate" only means Kill in the movies, it really means "to put an end to completely", and that can be interpreted many ways.

OUG: <"[first begin with the beasts..next the old and sick..what..[next the bloggers,;..talkers/thinkers dreamers..why not begin with eugenisists/..those who talk of murder">

Clever comment OUG. I get the connection; I made a similar one a couple of posts ago. I also understand where you're coming from in that all life is precious. Once we start saying this life (whole species!?) has no value or that one doesn't DESERVE to live, there is no reason to stop those judgements being made elsewhere.

Max: I think it's a tragedy if, having the authority over other species as we do; that we decide that only animals who are "working animals" should be allowed to exist. That's awful; quite apart from the emotional and psychological worth of our relationships with them.
Also, the wonderful horses (bugger the racing industry) - lovely and faithful and an instrinsic part of our history - geez can't their mob have earned enough historical credits to guarantee them a place?

Mind you - I don't agree with breeding - not the way it is set up now anyay.

As I asked a few posts ago; if we decide that creatures that are of no *working use to us should be *assisted to die out - then is there any rationale for keeping endangered species alive?

The whole proposal to elimiate them is just so Animal Farm/Boxer in character that I am entirely repelled and puzzled that anyone could think this would lead to a better world

max quote[sorry almost said med max,but regretfully know your not mad,anyhow max quote<<Don’t get me started on horses,..I’d like to see them removed from Oz totally,..along with camels, donkeys, goats etc.>>i had the inkling it was only a beginning..lol

<<I for one don’t give a rat’s posterior about the racing industry, it would be no loss, nor the dog-racing, end the whole trap! They are hardly “working animals” anymore, are they?>>imk not a great one for racing dogs[but have raced pigions,far as i can tell, what people decide to spend their life on is their busines

i cant see how you so opbviously intelligent even make such claim's, its hardly the case that blogging is going to change anything, people will love what they will[you could ban cammels but someone will defend their right to love them regardless

<<Oh, and "" only means Kill in the movies, it really means "to put an end to completely",>>oh i allways thought and that can be interpreted many ways but extinct more nearly meets your definition...so i do a search
http://www.hydroponicsearch.com/spelling/simplesearch/query_term-eliminate/database-!/strategy-exact

<<Eliminate \E*lim"i*nate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Eliminated}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Eliminating}.] [L. eliminatus, p. p. of eliminare; e out + limen threshold; prob. akin to limes boundary. See {Limit}.] 1. To put out of doors; to expel; to discharge; to release; to set at liberty.

It isn't an argument that particularly impresses me, Pynchme.

>>Once we start saying this life (whole species!?) has no value or that one doesn't DESERVE to live, there is no reason to stop those judgements being made elsewhere... if we decide that creatures that are of no *working use to us should be *assisted to die out - then is there any rationale for keeping endangered species alive?<<

Point one: the issue is keeping animals for personal amusement, not whether a species "deserves to live".

Point two: the issue is not "assisting them to die out", it is "breeding them in captivity for sale."

Point three: no, there is no cogent or credible rationale for keeping endangered species alive.

The only reason we do this is because we are hopelessly selfish and over-indulgent.

We also enjoy a little self-flagellation occasionally, so long as it doesn't hurt too much.

That is why we are quite happy to limit our hot showers to four minutes, but still rush out and buy cans of MyDog or (I kid you not) "Nutrience - Dog Supreme Duck & Rabbit" by the cartload, at heaven-knows-what cost to the planet and our environment.

http://tinyurl.com/lmkbrd

It's not about the doggies and pussies and bunnies, it's about the shortsightedness and willful self-delusion of pet owners.