Arjay, you have proved beyond a skerrick of doubt on other threads that you haven't the faintest clue about currency, international banking cartels or indeed what money is. I also hear that you have trouble finding Wally.

So I strongly suggest that you keep quiet on the topic.

Meanwhile, I think you'll find Wally in the bottom right hand corner - ah yes, there he is.

Clever boy.

So the great Pericles is right and Presidents ,Abraham Lincoln,Andrew Jackson,John Kennedy and even Woodrow Wilson were all wrong when they warned of the evils of the US Federal Reserve and the risks that they pose to our freedoms.

The revolution has begun in the US headed by Dr Ron Paul and many others.A fairer system will rise form the ashes and the world will be a better place without the parasites.

I expect that one day, Arjay, it is possible that you will support your assertions with some sound references...

>>So the great Pericles is right and Presidents ,Abraham Lincoln,Andrew Jackson,John Kennedy and even Woodrow Wilson were all wrong when they warned of the evils of the US Federal Reserve and the risks that they pose to our freedoms.<<

...but if history is our guide, hell will freeze over first.

It is a simple expectation for those who decide who will stand to represent Australians should be “Australians”.

Anyone who is not sufficiently committed to Australia to acquire citizenship, for whatever reason, puts themselves beyond qualifying to vote and participate in elections of representatives at any level.

Regarding the comment “As for commitment to Australia... a large number of born here Australians their only commitment is to themselves and what's in it for them.”

It is an easy thing for someone to make blanket criticism of other Australians without presenting any justifiable data (which I think qualifies the comment simply as an ad hominine) but when we scratch the surface of this comment we just need to ask the question

“So what?”

As Australians we are free to make our own choices and are not accountable to the expectations of the, obviously ignorant and possibly alien, who parade around proclaiming some self-righteous entitlement to question the motives of their peers and betters -

and that is part and parcel of being "Australian" - I suppose it would be too much to ask for that those who take it to themselves to criticise, should first understand the rights and values they are criticising including the right of other folk to make their own choices.

Pericles I think you have misunderstood the premise of the argument.

It is not about foreign born people not being able to vote it is non-citizens like backpackers or those testing the waters in Australia before they commit to staying.

I meant in my last post "not being able to vote or stand for election"

Otherwise it just does not make sense.