two points come to mind
one about a sqeaky wheel getting the grease

two those who talk about it [or i presume yell about it usually know the least about the topic]

a third option comes to mind[would the neighbour even notice if the woman was screaming RAPE]

i guess some are able to get away with just silently getting on with the job..clearly the woman has oral limitations..[as i for one am unable to talk with my mouth full]

other options come to mind...but thats all i feel like putting out at this time..i dont think this is a topic i need to glog up my email with, so will skip tickling the response button at this time

I agree that this seems ridiculous, but I think that Graham's drawing a rather long bow in attributing this flagrant intrusion of the State into this woman's bedroom to "the Left". Freedom of speech and expression is indeed under attack worldwide - but it's hardly restricted to societies with "Left" governments.

The unprecedented assaults on civil liberties under the guise of the so-called "War on Terror" in recent years in the USA (under Bush) and in Australia (under Howard) spring to mind...

I wondered how long it would take someone to bring up the War against Terror. So which significant freedoms have we lost in Australia because of the War against Terror? (I'll agree Bush went too far in some areas, but I haven't seen Obama actually rushing to dismantle too much of it either.)

An interesting case in point when it comes to civil liberties is the Internet Censorship being proposed by the current government. The Howard government looked at it, but eventually walked away from it. It just wasn't that important to them. But Conroy just keeps ploughing ahead.

All governments have a tendency to unwarranted intrusion, often as a result of community pressure, but governments which are more collectivist or communitarian are more likely on balance to pursue it further. And those sorts of governments tend to lie on the left.

It's not a long bow, it is a truth that is inherent in the philosophical underpinnings of the different world views.

Anti-Social Behaviour Order

The good old ASBOs.

ASBOs disproportionately affect young people, people with disabilities, people with mental health concerns and people from low socio economic backgrounds. A policy response that in effect criminalizes legal behaviour by marginalised people.

With regards to this case though, it just comes down to noise, and really it's irrelevant what causes the noise. Why should one person be allowed to keep 3 or more houses of people awake all night.

Even if an old decrepid deaf granny scratches the floor all night wondering around and keeps everyone awake, it's still annoying. This reminds me of the people who stopped others smoking in their own flat because they could smell it in the hallway. The smokers eventually had to move home.

Jewely,

'The article turned it in to something about sex and making women timid but it was about the noise and not being able to afford a home in the country.'

Exactly.

Dear Yabby,

You seem to be focused on assigning blame.
That's your right. And you're entitled to
stick to it. I get it - and you're not
alone on this thread.

However, you've got me wrong. (once again).
I'm not assigning blame - both the young men
and women are the victims. Re-read my previous
post. It's the culture that encourages and
condones this sort of behaviour that needs
to change.

What you seem to fail to realise (although Matthew
Johns clearly understands now) is that consent and
willing participation does not excuse someone's
behaviour, especially when there's a resulting
potential for psychological damage not only for the
women for all parties involved.

Phil Dye argues the point rather well, "Fining
any club for the extreme pack mentality of their
players won't suddenly make for sexually
responsible young men. Mass sacking of the coaches
and administrators who allowed this behaviour to
occur may help build lasting change.

Even the players, those like Hasim El Masri, who
espouse a socially responsible position for players
and fans, could stage their own 'action' to rid the
game of the leaders who allow pack-mentality behaviour
to occur."

And please find another argument besides - "if the
women are willing," then it's allright!"

It's not! For all copncerned.
The culture has to change!

Sorry - I had a server error - and this
got posted to the wrong thread - my apologies.