KMB
Obama wins the battles whithouht guns, deaths, wounds and trillions of dollaras costs.
Obama has won the understanding and support from the international community, THIS TIME AMERICANS ARE NOT ALONE! with Obama the battle against AL QUEDA and Talibans is easier.
I like Obama because he use his brain, he is exactly the opposite from the Bush.
HE IS THE THE BEST COMMANDER IN CHIEF!
Eviva Obama!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

I am truely glad I found your quote in another thread, Obama is the anti Christ.
Only after I saw that did this thread seem worth a look.
If Bush was fit Obama is very much over qualified.
Remember, think about it, just how unusual it was Obama won a free election with ease.
In America, he won, he still holds a good lead over those opposed to him.
I find Republicans and their seemingly devoted friends the Australian oppersition failing around unable to understand they lost.
Extreme views like yours come from the worst in America, Obama came from the best.

Politico falsely reported that 61 former Guantánamo detainees "have been found to have returned to terrorism"

http://mediamatters.org/research/200902060002?f=h_latest

Summary: The Politico falsely reported: "The Pentagon said earlier this month that 61 former Guantanamo inmates, out of the more than 700 who had been held at the facility, have been found to have returned to terrorism."

In fact, the Pentagon has acknowledged that its figure of 61 detainees includes 43 former prisoners who are only suspected of,..but have not been confirmed as having "returned to terrorism."

Moreover, even the Pentagon's claim that it has confirmed that 18 former Guantánamo detainees have "return[ed] to the fight" has been questioned by experts.

Moreover, even the Pentagon's claim that it has confirmed that 18 former Guantánamo detainees have "return[ed] to the fight" has been questioned by experts. CNN national security analyst Peter Bergen stated on the January 23 edition of CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 that "returning to the fight, in Pentagon terms, could be engaging in anti-American propaganda, something that's not entirely surprising if you have been locked up in a prison camp for several years without charge."

Bergen further stated: "[W]hen you really boil it down, the actual number of people whose names we know are about eight out of the 520 that have been released [from Guantánamo],so a little above 1 percent,that we can actually say with certainty have engaged in anti-American terrorism or insurgence activities since they have been released. ...

If the Pentagon releases more information about specific people, I think it would be possible to -- to potentially agree with them. But, right now, that information isn't out there."

Additionally, as Media Matters has noted, Seton Hall University School of Law professor Mark Denbeaux -- who has written several reports about Guantánamo detainees, including some challenging the Pentagon's definition of "battlefield" capture and published detainee recidivism rates -- has disputed the Pentagon's figures,

asserting: "[The Defense Department's most recent] attempt to enumerate the number of detainees who have returned to the battlefield is false by the Department of Defense's own data and prior reports."

http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/01/26/refuting-cheneys-lies-the-stories-of-six-prisoners-released-from-guantanamo/

I can only guess as to why this poster is so anti-Obama. The new President is a committed Christian so the Muslim references in this and other subjects is bewildering.

We had Reagan and Bush...and you ask if Obama is fit?

Unbelievable.

Foxy,

I posted this on another thread in reply to KMB.

STATEMENT BY ISRAELI REPRESENTATIVE AT 18TH SESSION OF UNITED NATIONS COMMITTEE AGAINST TORTURE, GENEVA, SWITZERLAND
7 MAY 1997

“This prohibition on torture is absolute. As a result, and despite the current predicament of the State and the pressing need to fight terrorism, investigators are never, and never have been, authorized to use torture, even if its use might possibly prevent some terrible attacks and save human lives"

It makes the statements of KMB look like those of some deeply frightened man.

However much we dispise him does waterboarding an average of over 4 times a day for a month indicate Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is a brave individual?

One gets the sense that KMB might better reflect the words of former CIA officer John Kiriakou who claimed Abu Zubaydah told all after waterboarding for just 35 seconds. Instead he was tortured 83 times in a month.

It is hard to believe that water-boarding is condoned here. Navy SEALs may or may not experience it in training but they know they are not going to be killed, and who would suggest that the SEALs behaviour is a reasonable standard? Surely even the Conservative "doctors wives" now believe that stooping to torture relinquishes any claim to the moral high ground, and I would have thought it would be extremely hard to justify under Liberal principles.

The recent CIA revelations also suggest that continuing water-boarding is counter-productive, other than to provide the torturers with "intelligence", such as the existence of WMDs. Other proponents of water-boarding have changed their opinions when they tried it, albeit under "friendly" conditions.

Obama will be judged in time. As a basis for comparison at present, reading Bob Woodwards 4 books is an interesting starting point in assessing the actions of a Commander-in-Chief.