pericules as far as i see it this topic has perfect relivance [but re your request for more info here is a seach i just did for you..[noting this is just the ussr atomic/waste

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB&ei=PIX6SfqgC4Xm7AOkr_i3Ag&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=ussr+atomic+waste+dumped&spell=1

i also appriciated your revelations re somalia waste-dumping[and would add other dumping practices..that while not strictly radioactive are causing huge problems,[like that big ship dismanteling site[in india?,or computer dismanteling in china

polution is one of the really big issues that people need to get honest about,..the heading is BE HONEST,..so lets at least be honest here

one thing i would like to get honest is labeling these anual scares [sars bird flue foot anmd mouth, poluted ground water,y2k,the list is endless..[but where i would appriciate your honest input and word skills is re the buzz-words..we regularilly get fed

one that comes readilly to mind is pandemic..[but surelly before we reach the pandemic stage we need a basic epidemic,..or an outbreak, or episode or episodes..[seems the media goes straight for pandemic with just a few episodes]

same double/speak with polution and polutants..[calling co2 the major polutant is an extreemist dis-honesty],..we have many more worse polutants that simply speaking may not be raised[..we banned hydro carbons,..yet we can compost 100 times worse than co2 from our home composting ...methane producing..compost bins straight into the atmosphere

or disregard that 1000 times more damaging polutant..[used for cleaning solar/cells]..into the sky,unthinkingly..[or end meat/eating to eat faux meat made from soy..[grown on torn down amasonian rainforrest's

its really time we got honest about the real polutions/polutants..[the real deceptions[like AIR/cooling nuke power-stations..dont that put heat straight into the atmosphere?..direct?

ok they dont use h2o..but they create heat..[while were on the heat thing dont all this labd clearing change the temp foot print?,

how can temp mesasures be proved consistant,..with all these changing heat foot prints arround the globe?..[water temp increase from a power station outlet..[where none was before]..for egsample

have you heard the reef is rebulding itself..[lol]..they told us quick when they thought it was dying..lol

lets BE HONEST eh,..great topic

Protagoras,
If I didn't worry before I certainly should now. Thanks for the info I think.

Every body
One shouldn't forget the massive subsidies given to this industry to make them viable.
Lest us also not forget those sites that have started, run out of money or the ones built but never commissioned.
In short given the lead times the problems the ooopses and the limited life span and the decommissioning fees oh yes the waste.
I wonder dogmatism aside how realistic are they as a now option

I note on realclimate.org the latest predictions suggest we need an 80% drop in CO2 to avoid the non linear change in temp, sea water rises and acidity etc.
What is missing in all these calculations is that if one of the super volcanoes threatening to blow does then their contribution + existing levels is a recipe for disaster.

Reading some of vulcanologist sites there are three that are of concern. Rabaul(PNG) is one. the ensuing tsunami would almost wipe out the east coast of Australia. Oh yes the CO2 levels would ensure GW. Yes it has happened before.:-(

rehctub: "Anyway, some interesting info on nuclear power, esspecially the suposed lack of unrainum."

I was puzzling over that comment. It looked like it was addressed to spindoc, but spindoc didn't deal with the lack of uranium.

Spindoc: "the [total] global nuclear waste inventory ... [is] a single layer of containers on the area of a footy pitch"

This got me looking. As far as I am aware, after 60 years of nuclear power generation there is still no long term solution for disposal of high level waste. This page says the first possible solution might come online in 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste This disposal problem is _the_ political issue for the nuclear industry, yet they still don't have a solution after 60 years. You'd be dumb if this didn't make you feel uneasy.

Oh, and Sweden's 2010 solution which presumably does work: it costs AUD$0.18 / KWhr just for disposal, which is more than the total cost I pay for electricity delivered to my house now. http://nuclearinfo.net/Nuclearpower/WebHomeCostOfNuclearPower The same article says the US allows 15% of plant cost for decommissioning, but it is costing Britain 100% to do it. Still, it ain't all bad news. At worst nuclear costs AUD$0.60 / KWh. That puts an upper limit on the cost of energy from renewables, which they may have trouble meeting.

That wikipedia article says about "a basket ball court covered with 2 layers of double decker buses" or high level waste per year is produced, or about 3700 cubic meters a year. By comparison a football field of containers is 12500 cubic meters - or about 3.5 years worth. Yet you say the football field holds 60 years worth. Even allowing for the increase in production over time that is a stretch. Also Gen III reactors are water based, not gas based unless you count steam as a gas (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_III_reactor ). Gen IV reactors are but a gleam in some engineers eye. I guess that at least makes your claim that "there has never been a safety incident with a Gen IV reactor" true. Methinks you chose your nick well.

Yeah but its funnier if you let Microsoft make the suggestive jokes for you.

Mate, what ever floats your boat!

“Do you have some links I could follow?” (Pericles)

http://www.davistownmuseum.org/cbm/Rad8e.html (and more)

“This one, though, was just a little misleading:” No – it is you who is misleading Pericles. I am the messenger. If you disagree with the contents, advise rather than make insidious innuendo, then you may take your grievances to the authors for I am not here to mislead.

“Two things. You make it sound as though the drums had previously been in the ocean, and it was the tsunami that brought them ashore. And that their main purpose was to get rid of radioactive waste.” Yes – what is your innuendo?

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/afrikan-world-news/37727-waste-dumping-off-somali-coast-may-have-links-mafia-somali.html

http://www.infowars.com/is-toxic-waste-behind-somali-piracy/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/7/681250/-Pirates-of-Somalia:-Curse-of-the-Mafia-Nuclear-Waste-Dumps-and-Thanks-for-All-the-Fish-

“First of all, dumping toxic waste has been a part of the Somali economy for some years.” Yes – why do you continue wasting my time? It’s also been part of Russia's, the UK’s, US’s and other countries’ economies.

Your link: http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/node/4719 also includes the following: “The Tsunami that hit the coast of Somalia in 2004 destroyed coastal towns and villages but uncovered a secret that some must have hoped would remain forever buried at sea, toxic dumping”

“And in a United Nations report..” Yes Pericles and in a UN report in my possession is the following: “the urgent need remained for a more comprehensive assessment of the natural environment of Somalia, which would include further investigations of alleged toxic waste sites on land, and dumping of toxic waste at sea”. What is your innuendo?

“But this example is not specifically about nuclear waste, which is the topic you were discussing.” If you wish to discuss the other topics in *your* example, feel free.

“While in Europe, Ms. Hasan met in Rome with news editors who broke some of the horrific stories about the hazardous and nuclear waste dumping in Somalia. However, the UNEP falls short of naming the corporate culprits responsible for the dumping of the radioactive waste.”
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“Poetic licence is one thing. But this is misleading.” Yes I rest my case Pericles. Please spare us from anymore of your poetic licence.

ok im not a great one for atomic generation BUT must correct the aberation[miss info] of radioactivities permance[see the liquid from the joe fuel cell can NEUTRALISE radioaCTIVITY, there are a few hints about the topic
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=joe+cell+water+neutralised+radioactivty&hl=en-GB&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB

but its a suppressed teqnology, because the other thing the joe cell can do is give free energy..[run your internal combustion auto's engine for free]..and special petro cartels intrests dont like that idea

see the joe cell makes a unique liquid..that when ignited inside a space creates a vacume..see it implodes not explodes[the only modification needed from the petro engine is advancing the engines timming 25 degrees]..so it ignites at compression, not expulsion stage of the cycle..[so the engine piston gets sucked [instead of pushed],it can be used to suck liquids up hill..etc by the same means;imploding creating a vacume..and[when put into poluted streams it cleans up the polution,..just sucks it up so to speak[its a funny liquid,..it actually 'burns' cold]

but hey we dont need solutions like that do we but in the sake of honest disclosure dont say you wernt told[and yes our leaders know of it [told rudd personall]and yes he thinks im nuts too, so will just go back to other stuff you would only disbelieve as well

joe put his fuel into a sandard datson at surfers drag races broke all the records but then got banned [cause they said he must be cheating...lol..add it to the stuff the world should know but the media's bosses say no they musnt, free energy,...what would happen to the poor energy cartels..lol