from
http://www.infowars.com/climate-change-hoax-of-the-century/

The thickness of these snow fall layers is then assumed to be an indication of global temperature.There are numerous errors in this assumption,which have been presented in a more technical analysis, but for now pretend that this evidence is true.

The hoaxers then show graphs over time with a near perfect match of CO2 levels and snow thickness and by implication the earth’s temperature.The second bit of “proof” of human caused global warming is the Global Climate Model which is available to all at Wikipedia.

By their own admission,this model was developed for SHORT RANGE weather forecasting and we all know how accurate that is.This formula though not given on this web site,has a hundred parameters each with its own coefficient and exponent.

By manipulating these numbers the hoaxers are able to“prove”that an increase of CO2 will raise world temperature.


The whole concept of “greenhouse gas” is absurd.The earth receives a full spectrum of electromagnetic radiation by day(Duh!)but by night only a portion, the infrared stored on the surface,is radiated back into space.

There is no gaseous one way control of this energy.

The atmospheric gasses can absorb or reflect some of this energy but can not increase the incoming amount.Carbon dioxide is a three-atom molecule that cannot possibly determine that all radiation should be allowed in by day,but none can escape by night.

Consider the insulation or radiant barrier in your home’s attic.The radiant barrier bounces solar radiant energy away from your living space in the summer and bounces radiant energy trying to exit back into your house in the winter.

Insulation does the same thing with convective energy,keeping heat out in summer and heat in during the winter.The atmosphere behaves the same way.

To claim that any gas,whether CO2 or methane or any other,can simultaneously allow energy in by day but block energy exit by night is absurd.

To think that the hoaxers claim of a change in 10 parts per million of CO2 molecules could effect the earths climate in any way is insane

I have to agree with you. one under god.

However the western world is now ruled bt people who clain a belief in this rubbish. Not only a belief, but have a plan to spend billions of our money on it.

This being so, are they;

1/ Insane?

2/ So feeble minded that they have been convinced of it's truth?

3/ So dishonest that they have read the polls, & gone with what they think will gain most votes?

4/ Or all three of the above, which does not say too much for the people who voted them in to office.

"Logically you can't have it both ways either global warming prognostications are accurate in which case AGW is real or they prove nothing in which case your argument is emperor's clothes."

Not so, eAnt. Most science is based on the balance of probabilities, not absolute findings. If the models are sufficiently predictive, even with a margin of error, then they should be the basis for action.

It goes on and on;
Here is another finding that needs explanation.

http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/04/fossil-fuels-fail-to-explain-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-levels/

This finding by a Prof Quirk illustrates that while emissions being
greater in the northern hemisphere take some 6 months to show up in
the southern hemisphere, changes in CO2 levels occur in both hemispheres
at the same time.
As a comparison he used isotopes generated by nuclear explosions
which took six months to show up in the southern hemisphere.

In comments someone critises his method saying that a 12 month delay
would get covered up.

But that does not explain a six month delay.
Anyway plenty to argue about.

Sancho,
You're right of course but what I meant was either the prognostications tend to be indicate that AGW is real or they are invalid in which case they can't be used to prove AGW doesn't exist. To do so they have to be valid. You can discredit the prognostications but that doesn't discredit AGW just the the educated guesses (models aka balance of probabilities). Logic.

The point is made I was responding to posts that weren't thought through in short posts that were logically inept and contain only bluster, opinions have or give no substance( a cohesive scientific alternative proof).
Those that based on the age old fingers in the ear and la la technique to cover lack of understanding or fear of complexity they can't understand simply.

been doing research re the tax, interesting discoveries are being revealed..like bying a potatoe, will have its carbon credit added for the cooking, pre paid[in its purchase price]

so they figure it will cost 15 carbon credits to cook it so the potatoe has that cost added to iots price [neat scam eh]you pay on the carbon credits via electricity and the potatoe

i heard it explained by dr winn parker, in googling his name found this interesting link
http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/waterpolution.shtml

but unable to find him saying it[it was on republic broadcasting network, john stadmillers show, its in the archive but it costs 1.33 cents [via pay pal to listen to the re broadcast]
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?cmd=archives
thus my search goes on

interesting search result's
http://organictobe.org/index.php/2007/07/20/uhhh-explain-that-carbon-credit-deal-again-please/
http://www.erb.umich.edu/Research/Student-Research/VoluntaryCarbonConfusionformatted-MLedit-2-22.pdf

http://www.qualitydigest.com/inside/quality-insider-article/treat-carbon-symptom-not-disease.html

but hey its a long search
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGklnszOdJlbkAEG6l87UF?p=carbon+credit+value+on+a+potatoe&fr=sfp&fr2=&iscqry=

and have no doudt its going to be the biggest scam[i understand even growing your own food will result in govt finning you [even animals need to be registered[$5 for a chicken[so selling your home grown chicken cost 5 bucks [before you factor in what you are selling the actual chicken for]

but hey get back to your tv...lol
govt is trying to screw us into the ground so the speculators can speculate the neo carbon credit con derivitive for their imf banker mates, but hey thats how they sold us on drug wars and bikie wars, and the global [cabal cooling

[oops global warming]warning and the y2k computers failing [and sars/birdflue, and mercury vacinations, and fluerided water [and tax on cigarettes, and tax on alco pops, and private pensions that stole your super...[its the same old elites sukking you dry..[but hey you love it right

lol
shoot the messenger