(Sorry, the last sentence in the above post was incomplete. The end of it should have read:)

... and let's demand that many more Chalco controlled aluminium smelters on our shores, to be powered by yet more privatised, Chinese-owned electricity generators, be built.

Hooray for daggett. Yes, it'd be good to see more aluminium smelters and electricity plants built in Australia (preferably of the pebble-bed nuclear variety as already operating in China itself).

But it seems strange reading the "Chinese are knights in shining armour" comment: I'm sure some small minority of Chinese are just that at some time - when doing fancy dress, for example.

I dispute the "incomparable good" and "incomparable evil" stuff too; I think there are actually very useful historical comparisons to be drawn between current strategic circumstances and past international struggles and diplomacy along the Good-Evil spectrum. That moral issue is not just unique to anti-imperialism of today.

I also doubt whether "Chinese textile exports wiping much of the [sic] Africa's textile manufacturing" would be a "minor concern". But then, if that did happen it would first be a fault of free trade ideology and its near-compulsory abolition of tariffs. And the effects of such unbalanced production and market trends leave China itself very vulnerable too, as seen first with the drastic reduction of China's toy manufacturing last year.

Oh, but one big correction: daggett comments about "OUR mining companies". As Belly and I have well established over Rio, the ownership is not "ours" unless "we" is meant to cover the near-exclusive identities of British, Dutch and allied western monarchs and oligarchs.

In that sense now daggett, do tell: did they award you some kind of peerage yet for your sterling promotional work on "Malthusian depopulation"? If not, hang in there. All it may need is a suitably poisonous tirade against China's population size.

Mil-ob wrote, "... do tell: did they award you some kind of peerage yet for your sterling promotional work on 'Malthusian depopulation'?"

I think others may need to be briefed on the hidden meanings in this rather cute and "succinct(ly) complex" piece of polemical writing. Clues can be found if one follows the tangents at the end of the (now discontinued) discussion "What's wrong with 'Islamophobia'":

"... feudal snobs princes Charles and Philip ... advocate 'depopulation' (daggett's euphemism 'population stability')? Well, the issue is about people, and the the toxic resentment - indeed spite - felt by the privileged mediocre and in-bred towards most of the planet's generally more capable and dynamic persons." (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8326&page=33#136226)

Of course, it necessarily follows that everyone else who shares the views of princes Phillip and Charles on population must necessarily be elitist snobs like them.

Of course, mil-ob has not substantiated his charge that they advocate 'de-population' and (elsewhere) 'genocide' with a single direct quote.

Mil-ob continued, "If not, hang in there. All it may need is a suitably poisonous tirade against China's population size."

Any suggestion that China's population size of 1.4 billion may pose unacceptable demands upon the world's eco-system cannot be countenanced, nor any suggestion that anything be done to restrain further growth in its population.

Evidently, mil-ob means to pre-empt any hint of a suggestion that China's current population of 1.4billion poses any kind of a problem to the world's environment or that anything should be done to restrain it from growing further.

Mil-ob just just happens to know that there are easy technological fixes to all the looming resource shortages crises, an example being the use of nuclear power to desalinate sea water in sufficient volumes to replace the subterranean water supplies upon which India's agriculture now depends, when they inevitably run dry (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8326&page=31#136387).

Thus preventing the birth of a single baby into a world which can easily cater to all its needs is deemed 'anti-human' and 'elitist'.

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I think it's safe to conclude that such views are every bit as deluded and dangerous as any religious fanaticism.

daggett: "...everyone else who shares the views of princes Phillip and Charles on population...mil-ob has not substantiated his charge that they advocate 'de-population' and (elsewhere) 'genocide' with a single direct quote."

As if I must have been somehow lying!

Here you go then dag - first Google hit out of 39,000 searching on "prince philip" and "population":
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3908588.ece

Then there's the second hit covering many quotes from His Royal Dull-Brained Scumbag's fantasies about becoming a "deadly virus", and denouncing humanity in places like Sri Lanka where population tripled after eradication of malaria!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/100604_prince_philip.html

You're in very swampy, smelly company there dag.

But to return to topic: here's hoping on this issue and China that the federal govt can avoid their usual hat-doffing and butt-kissing servility to the constitutionally monarchical parasites like that pampered, parasitic cretin, racist (including anti-Chinese) and WWF chief Prince Philip.

I note that mil has avoided confronting the more substantive points in my last point and, instead, focused on making personal attacks on those he perceives to be easy targets.

Even at that, it is interesting how mil only provided two words directly out of Prince Phillip's own mouth.

Funny how when we allow these people to speak for themselves, instead of putting works into their mouths, they no longer seem to be quite monsters that the likes of mil would have us think they are.

The quote about Prince Phillip being reincarnated as a "deadly virus" was only a fantasy and not an actual practical proposal as far as I could tell.

However, to be brutally frank, if that fantasy became a reality, then it would vastly improve the prospects of the rest of the natural world and those of us who do not end up dying horribly from such a virus, just as the Black Deaths of the first half of this Millennium vastly improved circumstances in Europe.

When people contemplate the alternative of billions of people dying horribly after our life support system has broken down under the weight of human numbers, then it should not be a surprise that some indulge in fantasies such as Prince Phillip did.

However, if mil was the least bit honest, he would have acknowledged that the leaders of the population control movement never wanted it come to that.

To avoid the possibility of a terrible culling by nature of the surplus human population was precisely the reason why they fought so hard to stabilise human population at 4billion, instead of the 6.5billion it has since become.

However, instead, the likes of mil succeeded in deluding people into thinking that overpopulation was not the deadly serious threat it was.

I hope we can pull through the dire predicament we now face without a terrible culling of human numbers by nature.

However, if mil and his ilk succeed today as they did in the 1960's and 1970's, then our prospects of pulling through our current predicament will be even more remote.

Anti-human drivel, pretentiously and verbosely worded as usual. The misrepresentations of myself and the references are par for the course - leveled at every commentator who exposes dag's barbaric excuses for "logic" and "argument". Revealing too (though NOT interesting) that dag avoids entirely Prince Philip's long record of repeat racist insults, preferring instead to stick up for the "poor, oppressed" doddering git. That's what it's come to now: sucking up to feudal overlords. It also suggests some explanation for just why dag shoots off about "Chinese-owned" and anything else "Chinese".

Here's a dag quote for anyone potentially enticed by the sick eugenicist and feudalist cult based around the wholly discredited Malthus:

"...the Black Deaths of the first half of this Millennium vastly improved circumstances in Europe".

Thanks to the heavens that this guy was "the least successful candidate for election to the seat of Mt Coot-tha at the recent Qld election (at) 163 (0.65%)" votes. Still, that's quite a concentration of Malthusian troglodytes regardless!