i rather hope that ozzies will not vote for any political party, as a simple expression of contempt for the character and intellect of this medieval guild called "politicians".

they are all in it for the self gratification of power, none have demonstrated any talent for management, all have participated in corrupt practices- and ozzies continue to vote for them.

little wonder that pollies are moral dwarfs, when the electorate is content with so little.

Left, right or centre we all have a common enemy: politicians. Politicians - who would be of more use to society if they were on the dole - represent their party or themselves, not us. Their only aim is to say whatever they think will get them more votes than their competitors enough times to get themselves set up for life with massive superannuation benefits not available to anyone else in the community.

I agree with Demos. We should be looking for an entirely different group of people, rather than discussing the current crop of idiots who make up both Labor and Coalition

If as a true beleaver I have concerns about Labors will to win.
If every bone in my body says we must not fail.
How can I convince those who have never voted Labor to hear my storey?
A debate must take place about leadership or the party is telling me it has no wish to win.
That workchoices is a cross low income Australians must bare.
And that personalitys rule my party not ideals.

The reason the ALP seems so pathetic is that, essentially, they are no different to the Liberal party.

The reason that it appears that they have abandoned the working class is because - well – they have, if they ever represented them at all. The ALP have been revealed for what they really are – another capitalist business party.

The reason they don’t “capitalize” on the Government’s crimes, is because essentially, they agree with them.

All this hoo-ha about the Beazley being the only one who can save us from the IR Law is a lie. He says he is going to rip them up. So what? Even if he does rip them up, which I doubt, the important question is – what are they going to be replaced with? We haven’t seen anything and its only a year from the next election. Shouldn’t we have the opportunity to see what their plans are in advance so that we can study them and make an informed choice? No, that would be too much, we might actually find out that the ALP is intending to sell us out. Face it, the ALP defends the rich.

I agree with DEMOS and, for once, Leigh. We need a new political party, built by ordinary working class people, to advance their own interests in the face of continuing attacks by capitalist parties of all persuations.

Belly, "How can I convince those who have never voted Labor to hear my storey?"

Some how you have to convince the rest of us that Labor are less of a threat to this country and us individually than the Coalition.

Howard has certainly done a lot to hit ordinary workers but from my perspective is less harmfull than Labor has been when they have had the chance.

Howards been caught out in plenty of lies but then lies and deceit seem to be the normal operating mode for many Labor pollies so it's hard to get worked up about replacing the Coalition with a Labor government on the basis of those lies.

At a state level I've been hurt by an utter lack of concern for workers by the state labor government as they run from one deceit riddled crisis to another.

Personally I've been dismayed at the limited action to reform the family law and child support systems by the current government and the federal governments gender bias in it's handling of the DV issue but when I consider Labor's record in those areas they seem to be the ones who set up much of the worst of it and have shown no signs of any interest in a fairer system.

Internationally we appear to have gone into Iraq for the wrong reasons but then Labor is not articulating convincing sounding alternatives as to how we should deal with some of the tensions facing the world.

I'm left with a sense that gaining and keeping power is the issue that concerns our pollies most, the issue for voters who are not "true believers" then becomes which group of scoundrels will do the least harm.

R0bert

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20792352-662,00.html

Kim Beazley under fire.